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[-] bort@feddit.de 39 points 9 months ago

who thought hamas was communist?

[-] Drivebyhaiku@lemmy.world 12 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Communist (noun)

  1. Anybody who trying to make Conservatives feel remotely guilty for being totally chill with a lot of people starving, being unhoused in unsanitary conditions and being denying life saving medical care because they are poor, foreign or inconvenient.

  2. Authoritarian bogeyman who will destroy civilization via terrorism

  3. Not a Republican

By the Conservative rubric of identifying communists we're pretty much all weilding a hammer and sickle.

[-] PugJesus@kbin.social 1 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Loons, mostly. There's been a multi-talk page dispute on Wiki, for example, over internet twits removing a sourced 'anti-communist' descriptor from the Hamas page that had been there for a while, because they want to believe that Hamas is aligned with them so very terribly badly.

[-] platypus_plumba@lemmy.world 6 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

How is the political stance of Hamas relevant?

It's a terrorist group defending their country from an invasion. Even North Korea has the right to defend their land. Even if I don't agree with the way they manage their country, it's their country.

Their political stance is totally irrelevant to me.

For me the issue is that Hamas already lost, and Israel is violating every single human right until Palestinians are exterminated using Hamas as an excuse.

Hamas needs to stop fighting, they are a piece of shit because they aren't giving up. Israel has always been a piece of shit. The end.

[-] tocopherol@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

But Hamas is far from the only militant group fighting the IDF. If they stopped fighting another group would be fighting the IDF. Palestinians fighting now view it as a struggle for the survival of their people and culture. Even if there was no organize military in Palestine fighting, many average Palestinians have been struggling against Israeli forces for decades, unaligned.

[-] platypus_plumba@lemmy.world 1 points 9 months ago

I agree but they need to stop. This is not helping them at all at this point. Israel has America's backup. If the groups that are fighting don't stop, Israel won't stop.

[-] tocopherol@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 9 months ago

They have stopped fighting before though and Israel continued their aggression. They have had marches and protests where IDF opened fire on groups of civilians, killing dozens. Israel won't stop until Palestine doesn't exist, they have been vocal about this position for years. They have continued to steal land, they have funded and propped up Hamas rather than more moderate groups specifically so they can have a better excuse to continue fighting.

[-] platypus_plumba@lemmy.world 1 points 9 months ago

Do you have sources for these claims? Not doubting, I just want to read more.

[-] tocopherol@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 9 months ago

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2018%E2%80%932019_Gaza_border_protests

The 2018–2019 Gaza border protests, also known as the Great March of Return (Arabic: مسیرة العودة الكبرى, romanized: Masīra al-ʿawda al-kubrā), were a series of demonstrations held each Friday in the Gaza Strip near the Gaza-Israel border from 30 March 2018 until 27 December 2019,[13][14][15] in which Israeli forces killed a total of 223 Palestinians.[4][13] The demonstrators demanded that the Palestinian refugees must be allowed to return to lands they were displaced from in what is now Israel.

223 killed, included 46 children, and over 9000 injured

Times of Israel: For years, Netanyahu propped up Hamas. Now it’s blown up in our faces

Most of the time, Israeli policy was to treat the Palestinian Authority as a burden and Hamas as an asset. Far-right MK Bezalel Smotrich, now the finance minister in the hardline government and leader of the Religious Zionism party, said so himself in 2015.

According to various reports, Netanyahu made a similar point at a Likud faction meeting in early 2019, when he was quoted as saying that those who oppose a Palestinian state should support the transfer of funds to Gaza, because maintaining the separation between the Palestinian Authority in the West Bank and Hamas in Gaza would prevent the establishment of a Palestinian state.

[-] pinkdrunkenelephants@lemmy.cafe 0 points 9 months ago

It's relevant because it's the truth.

[-] tocopherol@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 9 months ago

There are communist groups that work with Hamas, so that may have been removed because it doesn't seem accurate.

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