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and when it sucks, devs get all credit
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I'm a PM in a different field (science stuff). If anyone asked me to present on behalf of the science team, I would say no. It's their work. Managing a team and timelines and budget does not mean I do the work. I think this is why when job searching I get a lot of interviews with dev and other tech. They just want competent managers. Some of them, anyway.