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submitted 1 year ago by Swexti@lemmy.world to c/linux@lemmy.ml

I'm starting this off by saying that I'm looking for any type of reasonably advanced photo manipulation tool, that runs natively under Linux. It doesn't have to be FOSS.

I switched to Linux, from Windows, about three years ago. I don't regret the decision whatsoever. However, one thing that has not gotten me away from Windows entirely, is the severe lack of photo editing tools.

So what's available? Well, you have GIMP. And then there's Krita, but that's more of a drawing software. And then...

Well that's it. As far as I know.

1. GIMP

Now, as someone migrating from Photoshop, GIMP was incredibly frustrating, and I didn't understand anything even after a few weeks of trying to get into it. Development seemed really slow, too. It's far from intuitive, and things that really should take a few steps, seemingly takes twenty (like wrapping text on a path? Should that really be that difficult?).

I would assume if you're starting off with GIMP, having never touched Photoshop, then it'd be no issue. But as a user migrating, I really can't find myself spending months upon months to learn this program. It's not viable for me.

No hate against GIMP, I'm sure it works wonders for those who have managed to learn it. But I can't see myself using it, and I don't find myself comfortable within it, as someone migrating from Photoshop.

2. Krita

Krita, on the other hand, I like much more. But, it's more of a drawing program. Its development is more focused on drawing, and It's missing some features that I want - namely selection tools. Filters are good, but I find G'MIC really slow. It also really chugs when working with large files.

Both of these programs are FOSS. I like that. I like FOSS software. But, apart from that, are there really no good alternatives to Photoshop? Again, doesn't need to be FOSS. I understand more complex programs take more development power, and I have no problem using something even paid and proprietary, as long as it runs on Linux natively.

I've tried running Photoshop under WINE, and it works - barely. For quick edits, it might work fine. But not for the work I do.

So I raise the question again. Are there no good alternatives to Photoshop? And then I raise a follow-up question, that you may or may not want to answer: If not, why?

Thanks in advance!

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[-] rglullis@communick.news 18 points 1 year ago

If not, why?

How many man-hours of work were already spent in the development of Photoshop, its plugins, etc? How much has that cost? On what scale of time was that spread around? How much money have designers put into them by buying licenses (now subscriptions) of Adobe's suite?

If you want an alternative for Linux that can match Photoshop, you need to be willing to support the R&D costs that have been paid off by Adobe throughout the decades of its development. Are you willing to do it?

[-] Aasikki@lemmy.ml 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

What we really need is Photoshop in Linux. Yeah the free alternatives are super cool and definitely fine for lighter and more occasional use, but unfortunately I just don't think they'll ever be good for professional and more advanced hobby usage. I really fuckin hate adobe but at the same time Photoshop just is really good. We really do need a real competitor to Photoshop though, be it paid or free because Adobes business practices are getting ridiculously bad.

I'm super glad davinci resolve exists for video editing. Obviously not 100% feee and open source, but again it's hard to believe a completely open solution could ever compete with adobes offering as well as davinci does. It's both super nice to use, you can use it free or pay the imo very reasonable price for the professional license, which includes free upgrades for life! And wait, it also works on linux!! Almost unbelievable. I only wish it had h264 support on Linux for the free tier, but oh well... Nothing's perfect :)

[-] AphoticDev@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 1 year ago

As Linux continues to rise in popularity, we might eventually see a Linux version. But unfortunately, most design firms use Macs, since Apple has put so much money into making them good for that, so there's little incentive for Adobe to work on making Photoshop work under Linux, even using something like Wine.

[-] BaconIsAVeg@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 year ago

Honestly, we'll probably never see Photoshop on Linux with all the 'value add' crap they're shoving in. I don't even enjoy using it on Windows, and spent $35 on a lifetime Affinity Photo license when it was on sale.

I'd much rather see that ported tbh, especially since they wouldn't need to port a ton of DRM services as well.

[-] moonmeow@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago

I agree, affinity programs are really good and i'd rather see those on linux

[-] Aasikki@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago

Exactly. And even though I absolutely love love love linux,it's unfortunately just too unpractical for me to daily drive it on my main PC, as things like photoshop and 3D modeling software like fusion 360, are just too unstable on linux, despite the amazing efforts of projects like wine. They are pretty damn close and I'm sure they will eventually be perfect or at least almost so, but untill then I'll have to run Windows on it (which I also don't hate as much as some do, as I believe it also has its pros like the almost unparallel backwards compatibility, as we'll as it's negatives).

I also game and I'm so so happy that Linux is as close as it is to making gaming perfect on linux. I play like literally two games that eather didn't work perfectly, or not at all on Linux, when I ran fedora on my main machine for over 6 months a few months back. It really is amazing what things like proton have done to Linux gaming.

I'll keep occasionally trying how linux does for my main PC, and until I find it to be good enough for me I'll keep running it on my home server and secondary laptop. Last time I tried it was damn close, I'm really expecting it to be only a couple years untill I move to linux as my main OS.

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