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I'm glad that you feel safe under Biden, i'm not being facetious, i genuinely am, but a million Gazans being terrorized, crippled and murdered daily by the dozens if not hundreds, by bombs supplied by Biden to a regime financially supported and militarily aided by Biden in commiting this genocide (a little reminder that US drones flying over Gaza give targeting information to the occupier so that it can more easily bomb children in refugee camps, doctors in hospitals, homes with entire families in them) do not feel so safe. By your logic, in voting for Biden you vote for their deaths. The only moral choice is to oppose ALL those who support and enable genocide, not just those who threaten you personally.
I appreciate this. I wanted to add this to my wall of text but it was getting too long already. I don't think this is an overall productive area of discussion right now though, I was too hostile, the lib is getting very heated, naturally as this is a very personal issue for them(Not blaming them at all, I'd probably be pissed too if I was in their shoes), so I think a bit of a cooling off period might be a good idea, give them a chance to touch grass and hopefully realise we are on the same side as them, and ultimately want the same things as them (safety for marginalised groups) but Biden will not be giving that to them.
You can't claim empathy and then accuse someone of liberalism in the same breath. It's a two-faced attempt to give off the appearance of peace while provoking the enemy to aggression, which manipulates public perception. For my part, I will not abuse people's perceptions, I will be honest. You're a liberal fascist apologiser and you're trying to get people killed.
No, that's not my logic. You've misunderstood my logic and replaced it with your own. You think that voting is an act of condoning and you're applying that to this situation. But I've been very clear that I think abstinence is a vote, and that you're voting for Palestinians to be killed by Trump, who will not be as easy to sway with public opinion as Biden. You've fundamentally failed to have any cognitive empathy and to step outside your own pre-existing ideas. Therefore you think I must surely agree with your opinions that I am arguing against. This is nonsense thinking
First of all i'm not voting at all in US elections because i'm not American and don't live in the US. But also, why does abstaining (which i'm not saying to do, if you think voting has an impact you can always vote third party or write in a candidate) count as a vote for Trump? A Republican could use the same argument as you to argue that: "If you abstain you are just giving your vote to Biden!". How is their argument any different? The argument that abstaining means voting for party B only works if you want party A to win. A leftist should want neither to win since both are enemies of the working class.
I'm not seeing Biden being swayed by public opinion at all, the only ones who seem to sway him are the neocon warmongers, Wall Street, and the military industrial complex. He continues to enthusiastically aid and abet the genocide of Palestine despite massive and repeated protests. He continues to back NATO militarization, anti-Russia, anti-China and anti-Iran war posturing. He has started to bomb yet another middle eastern country with his strikes on Yemen. And that's if you actually believe that he is the one making the decisions.
I think you're fooling yourself into believing in a version of the Democratic party that does not exist outside its supporters' propaganda rhetoric. It's just strange for someone choosing to call themselves an anarchist to functionally be indistinguishable from a liberal in their views on bourgeois elections...
P.S. I've tried to be polite and restrained in my responses so far but if i were you i wouldn't have the cheek to accuse others of lacking empathy when you don't even have enough empathy for Palestinians to stop voting for a party that is helping and defending their murderers.