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Then you should know from talking to literally any elders that you're talking shit.
This is absolute nonsense. You are a historical revisionist who invents reality to suit themselves. 90% of people who entered soviet work camps left them alive perfectly well, calling them death camps is absolutely absurd. Frankly I'm not going to bother responding to you any further because this just continues to give you opportunities to spew literal actual bollocks into the thread.
Estonian actually, Karelia is were my mom's parents escaped from to get away from the soviet occupation but I don't fault the Finns for using help from the nazies to ward off a soviet occupation, considering the nazies weren't going to occupy Finland it was a lesser of 2 evils.
As I mentioned: the tales of soviet cruelties come from my parents and grandparents. Unfortunately my great grandparents never came back from the soviet death camps and there are no records of where they were taken which is a common thing for people losing family to those camps, soviet record keeping for those was shit. I'm lucky to know this much, most people just disappeared with no records at all. I guess they learned their lesson from the nuremberg trials and just destroyed their records.
Also feel free not to engage, I'm not too interested in some kid from the UK who fell for tankie bullshit and wasn't impacted by the soviet regime but I do love to argue.
Stopped reading. Fuck off nazi. Not only did Finland take part in the holocaust by exterminating the Roma living in Finland (or forcing them to fight in the nazi suicide squads), but Estonia also handed over Jews to the Gestapo.
If anti-communists could stop admitting that they admire the nazis within 2 or 3 comments of starting their anti-communism you might actually be dangerous and effective at spreading your bullshit but you can never fucking help yourselves.
Aside from that, officials confirmed a few years ago that the Finnish Waffen‐SS participated directly in Axis atrocities. While I personally wouldn’t classify 1940s Finland as a fascist state, I understand those who do and the politics that it adopted compel me to classify it as parafascist. An example from Finland’s Holocaust:
From Finland in World War II:
There is a lot more to be said about Finland, but to keep things short it is a gross oversimplification to summarise its alliance with the Third Reich as only ‘picking the lesser evil’.
Now, no offence, but I think that you’d be happier or healthier doing something else with your time than trying to reason with anticommunists, seeing as how they can just make up whatever stuff that they want while instantly throwing actual research into the trashcan. Are you sure that you don’t want to try something else? Exercising? Juggling? Reading more books? Even playing drunk lawn darts would be better.
This is new to me. I appreciate you bringing it to my attention.
I've been doing this for years. This username was banned on reddit 3+ years ago and liberals there still mention it. I will haunt them forever. I do like your "reading more books" suggestion though, and the implication you know I read already. I'm currently reading Losurdo.
Think about all the other people reading these comments with more than a few braincells. When you argue in a public forum like this you're not just arguing with one person you're also helping open other peoples eyes who may stumble across this thread in the future. Thats why I say keep up the arguments even if the other party is doing so in bad faith.
Ah yes, perfectly ok to defend the soviets committing a genocide, but the moment a country accepts help from nazies against soviet genocide they become nazies. Weird it doesn't bother you that soviets allied with the nazies and split Europe amongst one another in their treaty. Obviously nazies are fucking despicable but so are soviets and both did genocides. Yea, you can go fuck yourself too red fashist.
Dude, you’re arguing with a fascist-loving teenager. Talk about wasting time.
I'm late thirties actually.
I'm begging you to ask some of the surviving jews that were freed from nazi death camps whether they think socialism is the same thing as fascism. They might kick your teeth out though.
Then it's just sad.
Nah mate. You're just out of touch with mainstream politics here in Britain. Jeremy Corbyn defends the USSR. Diane Abbot defended Mao on national tv. John McDonnell's job is "to overthrow capitalism". Or the time John threw Mao's little red book at Osborne. Etc etc.
Mainstream elected MPs. Mainstream opinions.
Yanks are just out of touch with what a political left looks like because they have no left. It makes you think "this person must be a teenager" because the american left simply doesn't exist and you can't imagine what the left over here in europe actually looks like because you have no baseline experience of a left to draw from.
These people are the elected soft left demsocs lmao. But all of this shit would cause americans to start screaming the word tankie or whatever because it's so far outside their experience and education.
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No mate because, as I pointed out, they weren't fucking death camps and you're an idiot. You can not cite a single academic source saying that, because none exist.
This has now devolved into you making up genocides that the soviets did not perform in order to justify your support for the nazi genocide of roma performed by finland. Screaming "red fashist" at the end doesn't help.
I'm on the side of objectively good people like Che, Nelson Mandela and Albert Einstein. You're on the side of Hitler and Mengele you absolute tool.
I didn't even make you take the position of defending the nazis, you CHOSE to take this position without prompting.
You saying they are not does not make it so. Soviets were smarter than nazies and didn't keep records as I said so the only numbers are estimated but like the lowest death count you can find is 1.5 miljon but the highest I can find is 8 million. But since most sources agree: prisoners close to death were released and they either died on the way somewhere else or at their destination. The total guesstimates of the total population at their death camps ranges from 14 to 25 million. This also doesn't count the people deported to random villages in Siberia, never to be seen again or the famines they caused by either intentionally or by ridiculous incompetence.
Also note I was defending the Finns not nazies. You can imagine how bad the soviet regime was if nazies seem like a good alternative.
Sure, you're the perfect angel, defending soviet genocides and other atrocities.
I wonder if any of the jews that were freed by the soviets (all of them) would agree. Nah.
Lmao you're pulling figures from the black book of communism now which is widely regarded as a joke. Fucking hilarious.
I also genuinely do not give a fuck about any nazis they killed. Which you are definitely including in your camp deaths as a bad thing. You are literally going to bat for nazis that absolutely deserved execution.
Lol, the black book of communism has numbers like 100 million so no I wasn't. Did your brain break and you just revert to some npc talking points?
So now you are celebrating soviet atrocities, yea you definitely have the moral high ground here.
I'm definitely celebrating the deaths of nazis. Yes.
You are both denying and celebrating the victims of soviet gulags. I guess anyone who the soviets hate is a nazi to you and that would not really surprise me, I have talked to red fashists from the US before, you're the first from the UK though.
I'm getting really bored now. Do you have anything worthwhile to add or just more bullshit?
Not really. You want over most of the red fash talking point I usually get already. The only empty square on my bingo card is "read theory" but we never went over how authoritarian rule is against everything socialism and Marxism stand for. But yea, I have to rotate my phone just to be able to hit reply to this last one and that too much effort to do twice so I'm done too.
Why would I tell a person that defends the nazis to read theory? That's something socialists say to other leftists.
Lmao you are forgetting who actually attacked whom and nothing said in this thread suggests Finns are proud of having to fight with the nazis.
Decimation was considered a harsh punishment even by the standards of the ancient Rome and was abolished. The fact that you use 90% survival rate to defend the ussr just shows how delusional you bolshevik tankies are.
Mate 90% survival rates pre penicillin are incredibly common, let alone in camp prisons as a result of proper prisons overflowing due to world war 2 conditions on top of food problems. Read a book. It wasn't until 1953 that these rates came down to standards that you'd expect when new industrial processes made penicillin widespread in the region. This stuff is extremely basic and is in practically every single book on the topic I shouldn't have to explain it to people but none of you actually read anything.