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It is fun to think about the Simulation Theory but most discussions revolve around it being likely that we are in one.

What are some concrete reasons why it's all science fiction and not reality?

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[-] reverendsteveii@lemm.ee 29 points 6 months ago

there's no sensory input that can't be faked, simulation theory is undisprovable, the only thing you can prove is that a simulation as accurate and consistent as this would have to be is indistinguishable from a basis reality and therefore the question is irrelevant.

but for thought experiment purposes I like to think that simulating a computer must always require more processing power than the computer being simulated has, and therefore as we develop computing technology and proliferate computers the likelihood that it's all just an emulation layer on one big universe-computer diminishes rapidly.

[-] surewhynotlem@lemmy.world 18 points 6 months ago

When the frame rate slows down because of the need to process more computers, we don't notice because our perception cycles also slow down. We're all probably running on a Pentium 3 that's rendering one second per century of real time.

[-] ApatheticCactus@lemmy.world 5 points 6 months ago

Well, sort of. Thing is time flows at different rates for different things. There is a lot of relativity shenanigans that kinda breaks the idea of a universal clock.

[-] BananaTrifleViolin@lemmy.world 5 points 6 months ago

Your thought experiment is at first reassuring but flawed though as it's based on a false assumption - that it needs to be a universe simulation, and thus as things get more and more complex as it progresses that it would become untenable.

Even if you were just to simulate the Earth alone, but in perfect detail (every atom, every electron, everything) and feed false information in a sphere of a fake universe around it, then how we progress and arrange material in our simulation wouldn't necessarily make the simulation exponentially more and more complex. A perfect simulation of just the Earth might conceivably be done by a computer on an imaginable scale such as a solar system sized computer or even a planet sized computer. So while the concept that an increasingly complex simulation might need an increasingly complex computer to simulate, as we don't even know the scope or scale of our potential simulation is. We also don't even know the speed our simulation would be running at - a incredibly complex simulation could just run slower and slower as it gets more complex and we would have no clue because time is also simulated.

You're absolutely right that a perfect simulation would be indistinguishable from a basis reality. But even more of a mind fuck, even if we were to crack the "base code" of the universe we still might not ever be able to determine if we're in a simulation because we have no frame of reference on a what a non-simulated universe should look like.

My solution is just not to think about - as you say the question is irrelevant beyond being interesting and/or if you enjoy an existential crisis!

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