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Michigan governor says not voting for Biden over Gaza war ‘supports second Trump term’
(www.theguardian.com)
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I refuse to vote for someone who supports genocide. I'm conflicted about it because it helps Trump, but I simply cannot vote for Biden. Gaza is part of it, but he's broken his promises.
He said he would halt the border wall construction and instead expanded it and had a photo-shoot at the border. He used the same exact loopholes Trump did to deny and turn away asylum seekers at the border.
He said he would make the Saudis a pariah state for chopping up a journalist and then he signs billion dollar arms deals.
He makes a big deal out of Russian war crimes when 3x more civilians have died in a few months in Gaza than the entire 2 years since the war started in Ukraine.
He went and pretended like Navanly was a hero. He met with Navanly's family. The guy who organized and marched with neonazis in Moscow and referred to Muslims as "cockroaches" that needed to be exterminated.
It's such a ridiculous level of hypocrisy I cannot tolerate.
If Biden, who we know is better than Trump and whom the current also genocidal RNC cower behind, loses, what will your opinion of Trump be in four years? This is a big picture situation and I'd rather the chance to fix things with Biden in a second term. He has kept many promises and we have been able to pressure him into certain positions. Vote for Biden now in order to have a chance to fix things later. That or the RNC takes over and the U.S. heavily steps into tyranny and fascism. That's the writing on the wall.
One leaves a bad taste in your mouth.
The other potentially stains your hands.
I do understand your position. I just feel it's a righteous stance at the wrong time.
i grew up as an illegal immigrant from latin america. trump's comments against latinos (murderers, rapists, etc) and the whole xenophobic border wall thing basically caused me to write him off from the beginning
i will never vote for trump because i can't support a guy who pushes this type of rhetoric (and like you said, that eventually becomes policy. look at roe v wade)
but i also cannot justify voting for biden. if we're being honest, i still haven't 100% decided what i'm gonna do but i'm thinking probably 3rd party unless something dramatically changes between now and november
Your ability to vote now exists because of people like Biden, even if not specifically him, dunno his entire history. Those who crossed lines to find a way. Had the current Republican party and Trump existed back then in the way they do now you and your family would not be here. That is why this is so important. It isn't about us accepting Biden over someone else, it's that in order to deal with Trump and take out his cronies, we must be willing to step up and work together. Once we get back this hump, we can start on reform. I feel people are finally to that point, we just need a chance to make it real.
I get it, but a vote is not an endorsement. I didn't want Clinton in office in 2016, and as a direct result of people like me not voting Clinton, the supreme court has been stacked conservative, and will remain so for potentially decades. We need to vote based on what the best possible outcome will be, not what outcome we wish was possible.