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Putin had Navalny killed to thwart prisoner swap, allies claim
(www.theguardian.com)
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So I’ve been bombarded on one post by hexbears saying that Navalny was a straight-up fascist who called for Muslim genocide.
What’s the truth about him?
Probably somewhere in the middle, not as good as what western media made him out to be, but leagues better than Putin I assume.
Thanks.
Earlier in his political career (at least as late as early 2010s) he indeed skewed much more right, somewhat moderately right-wing. For instance he used to partake in russian marches, which are annual demonstrations of partially nationalist, mostly just conservative factions. Here is him speaking at Russian March 2011. He also made several comments about the status of Chechen Republic within Russian Federation (a complicated region that has lead to Russian armed forces clashing with local gov/insurgents in two Chechen wars), I think mainly arguing that it should be excluded from Russian Federation.
I, however, still believe that in late 2010s he genuinely switched to much more liberal views, mainly focusing on liberal populism.
In general, while he definitely started off in conservative crowd, it would be a huge overstatement to argue that he continued to be an active fascist and anti-islamist right up to his death.
Thank you.
My Lemmy experience got so much better after moving to an instance not federating with hexbear.
Are the federation maps?
I'm not sure, but it would definitely be interesting to have this visualized!
Ok I see that might be tricky. Are there statements from instances saying they defederated from X, Y and Z?
I mean, how is one supposed to know?
There are, see https://feddit.de/instances for example.
Wow! Cool. Thank you.
TIL
All the bad stuff you can find about him is false or presented in a misleading way, by either pro-Putin propaganda or people who likes to get triggered by clickbait titles.
E.g. about the Muslim related thing: because the ad in question featured a photo of Chechen (?) soldiers, and the message about the right to bear arms was worded roughly as "you should be able to defend yourself from cockroaches", clever people decided he compared Muslims to cockroaches. Even to this day in Russia, Chechen people are massively (and rightfully so) considered dangerous, and bearing arms is not legalized. I watched him for years and Muslims were never on his agenda. The ad was created in 2007 and available on Youtube on his personal channel to this day. Guess not enough Muslims were upset about such "calls for genocide", heh. There is another ad about illegal immigrants and they too are still a problem for Russians.
Personally, I think he was the best politician of this time, maybe not only in Russia. Having watched him for years, there was never an ounce of radicalism or otherwise calls for unfair treatment of anyone. There were points to disagree but he was always open to public discussion and debates. They are correct when they say he was a hero Russians need but didn't deserve.
tl;dr: Navalny was against criminals, not Muslims.
Interesting, thanks.
he never shied away from nationalism. he's closer to a nazi than you're letting on.
The problem with your statement is that you assume a certain kind of nationalism. While he was only going for solving problems for Russians.
Governments who implemented visa requirements for immigrants are closer to nazi than him I guess.
you're suggesting he proposed dropping visa requirements?
I also want take a moment to say hey, I like you. you've been more cordial and communicative than almost anyone who has disagreed with me on this topic
He proposed to implement them basically, for citizens of countries much poorer than Russia, to properly regulate who comes, stays and gets jobs. How it already works in any European country or the US.
I oppose those policies everywhere
You oppose something that works everywhere? Will you say current Russia's immigration policy has more benefits for the country than such policy of the rest of the Europe?
I'm not intimately familiar with any of their immigration policies, but as an anarchist I seek to abolish all borders.
I see. The world without borders is cool but it will only work nicely if every person is educated to understand that being a decent human being is beneficial for them.
Being a decent human being doesn‘t require an incentive. In fact if you try to be a decent human being because you expect it will be beneficial to you, you will probably fail
Well maybe I should've said "not being an ass" instead.
Unfortunately it seems that way: BBC Article.