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submitted 8 months ago by intelshill@lemmy.ca to c/worldnews@lemmy.ml

The New York Times is one of the newspapers of record for the United States. However, it's history of running stories with poor sourcing, insufficient evidence, and finding journalists with conflicts of interest undermines it's credibility when reporting on international issues and matters of foreign policy.

Late last year, the NYT ran a story titled 'Screams Without Words': How Hamas Weaponized Sexual Violence on Oct. 7. Recently, outlets like The Intercept, Jacobin, Democracy Now! , Mondoweiss, and others have revealed the implicit and explicit bias against Palestine that's apparent both in the aforementioned NYT story and in the NYT's reporting at large. By obfuscating poor sources, running stories without evidence, and using an ex-IDF officer with no journalism experience as the author, the NYT demonstrates their disregard for common journalistic practice. This has led to inaccurate and demonstrably false reporting on critical issues in today's world, which has been used to justify the lack of American pressure against Israel to the American public.

This journalistic malpractice is not unusual from the NYT. One of the keystone stories since the turn of the century was the NYT's reporting on Iraq's pursuit of WMDs: U.S. SAYS HUSSEIN INTENSIFIES QUEST FOR A-BOMB PARTS, Defectors Bolster U.S. Case Against Iraq, Officials Say, Illicit Arms Kept Till Eve of War, An Iraqi Scientist Is Said to Assert. These reports were later revealed to be false, and the NYT later apologized, but not before the reporting was used as justification to launch the War on Iraq, directly leading to the deaths of hundreds of thousands and indirectly causing millions of death while also destabilizing the region for decades.

These landmark stories have had a massive influence on US foreign policy, but they're founded on lies. While stories published in the NYT do accurately reflect foreign policy aims of the US government, they are not founded in fact. The NYT uses lies to drum up public support for otherwise unpopular foreign policy decisions. In most places, we call that "government propaganda."

I think reading and understanding propaganda is an important element of media literacy, and so I'm not calling for the ban of NYT articles in this community. However, I am calling for an honest discussion on media literacy and it's relation to the New York Times.

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[-] markstos@lemmy.world 31 points 8 months ago

I have been reading NYT’s coverage of this conflict. Their journalists seem to have a range of viewpoints and their coverage reflects that.

Here’s a story that’s just about the level of Pro-Palestian support:

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/11/04/us/protests-israels-gaza.html?smid=nytcore-ios-share&referringSource=articleShare&sgrp=c-cb

Here: “Invading Gaza Now is a Mistake”

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/10/17/opinion/israel-gaza-invasion-mistake.html?smid=nytcore-ios-share&referringSource=articleShare&sgrp=c-cb

The conflict has proved hard to cover because journalists have been targeted and killed, so there are a shortage of journalists on the ground in Gaza.

I’ve also appreciated the times when NYT has published follow-up pieces to explain when I found case where their own reporting didn’t meet their own high standards and what they are doing about it.

I agree we should hold them to a high standard, we should have a conversation about media literacy and be careful what we consume.

Regarding a possible NYT ban, I think it is both important to consider their totality of coverage behold what is seen as specific mistakes. Also consider the alternatives. What English language outlets have objectively better and less biased coverage of the conflict?

[-] auroraborealiz@sopuli.xyz 25 points 8 months ago

opeds are different. If the NYT framed the original article as an oped, fine, but it didn't.

[-] MeowZedong@lemmygrad.ml 1 points 8 months ago

Even if they do, will people treat it differently? It's hard to differentiate those things in your head even when conscious of the difference. The insidious nature of your own bias towards trusting or not trusting what you read from them is why opens are effective at shifting narratives and opinions.

If it didn't work, they wouldn't do it.

[-] davel@lemmy.ml 9 points 8 months ago

Even NYT op-eds have to condemn Hamas in order to get printed. The range of allowable viewpoints is only as wide as the Overton window allows.

[-] intelshill@lemmy.ca 9 points 8 months ago

Literally any outlet that doesn't spin bullshit sources to justify warmongering?

Any outlet that doesn't get an ex-IDF official to write an article on Israel's war against Palestine?

Just basic journalistic integrity.

[-] MeowZedong@lemmygrad.ml 2 points 8 months ago

Do you want a list of better sources in English, because I feel like you are asking for one. I'm too tired to be the one to give them now, but maybe later or someone else will provide some for me?

The NYT directly contributed to the US invasion of Iraq based on VERIFIABLY FALSE information. Despite this egregious lack of journalistic integrity also known as "doing your fucking job", they are still held up as a relatively unbiased and reliable source for reporting on war and geopolitical issues that relate to wars that the US elite has interests in.

No. This is your own bias and you have not looked at them critically. You want to trust them and I get it, I even AGREE with you that they do have some use as a news source on other topics, but you're also playing into the very game they are playing with our heads.

The NYT has had troubling biases that have had a material effect on our world since at least the 1970s.

Just a few to follow if you want alternatives. Note that ALL sources have a bias. It is unavoidable. Even scientists writing in scientific journals. It's not about their bias so much as being able to recognize their bias and see how it affects their reporting. This is how openly biased media can be a breath of fresh air in comparison to the "unbiased" media.

  • Geopolitical Economy Report
  • Novara Media
  • FAIR.org (a media watchdog)
  • Glenn Greenwald (I don't even particularly like him and he's had a bit of a bias in favor of Israel, but he still does good work).
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