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196 Stands with Palestine, but those of you in the US should still vote in the general election. (lemmy.blahaj.zone)

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I've been seeing a lot of anti-voting sentiment going around. Can't believe I have to say this, but you need to vote. Not only is there more to the election than just the president. (State policy, Senate, house), but not voting is not an act of protest. C'mon guys

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[-] pkill@programming.dev 12 points 8 months ago

if voting changed shit it would have been made illegal. don't legitimize slavery by acts of expressing gratitude for being able to pick your masters.

[-] mcc@sh.itjust.works 12 points 8 months ago

Russian spies. Nice try.

[-] pkill@programming.dev 6 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

but election rigging in post-Soviet Russia was actually started by the CIA to not let the communists get back to power in 1996 elections. Which is actually yet another proof that what is needed in any country really is a revolution and actual thorough democratization of every aspect of social and economic life possible, instead of neo-aristocratic electoralism. And that to that goal, a party able to lead a way towards it is needed (instead of trying to work within those that actually just prop up the system and will actively fight back when that is challenged (look up SJ Voralberg case in Austria as the most recent example, or even more glaringly, CPRF purging anti-war faction or the Blairite hostile takeover in Labour a couple years ago)), which was sadly lacking in Russia in the 90s as well as today.

[-] QuaternionsRock@lemmy.world 2 points 8 months ago

what is needed in any country really is a revolution and actual thorough democratization of every aspect of social and economic life possible

Good luck accomplishing any of that while under a dictatorship :)

[-] force@lemmy.world 1 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

the iranians revolted... into another dictatorship...

and the french revolution ended swell! wait

what about the cuban revolution? oh god damn it

lol i'm just kidding, i can think of a few. the italian civil war and the libyan civil war, and technically the russian revolution and german revolution but i guess it helps when the government you're fighting against is getting brutally beaten in a war against other countries. but i can't say all of those ended in an extremely democratic system

[-] Pan_Ziemniak@midwest.social 6 points 8 months ago

Incredible how the majority of their comments come at hrs when most Americans are in bed..

[-] pkill@programming.dev 3 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Also I hope the Russian government is overthrown by it's people and that the right to the self determination of the myriad of ethnic groups of Russia is actually honored instead of them being used as a cannon fodder to oppress another nation.

[-] rottingleaf@lemmy.zip 5 points 8 months ago

I live in Russia. First, that won't happen soon, it's a bad situation with apathy, fragmentation and decay. Second, that myriad of ethnic groups is by geographic distribution mostly unable to secede as states with clearly defined borders. Third, where they can (say, North Caucasus), they depend on central financing to not be terribly poor (and they are still very poor).