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submitted 8 months ago by 0x815@feddit.de to c/europe@feddit.de

Cross-posted from: https://feddit.de/post/10013170

The war in Ukraine is “existential for our Europe and for France”, Mr Macron said in the interview on France 2 and TF1.

“Do you think that the Poles, the Lithuanians, the Estonians, the Romanians and the Bulgarians could remain at peace for a second [in the event of a Russian victory in Ukraine]?” he asked. “If Russia wins this war, Europe’s credibility would be reduced to zero.”

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[-] nivenkos@lemmy.world -5 points 8 months ago

They could hold the current borders for peace. That is the most likely outcome.

[-] Snowpix@lemmy.ca 12 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Tell ya what, rent hasn't been cheap. How about I come to your house and set a few things on fire and camp out in your living room and refuse to leave. I won't hurt you if you don't enter the living room, but I've claimed the whole room to myself. And you have no way of knowing if I'll decide to take the kitchen next despite saying I won't. Would you accept this? Because this is what you're saying Ukraine should let Russia do to them.

The only peace that can be achieved here is for Russia to be defeated and driven out of Ukraine entirely. Otherwise, all you are doing is enabling Russia to regroup, rearm and attack again for more territory.

[-] Jax@sh.itjust.works 4 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Very well put.

[-] sukhmel@programming.dev 3 points 8 months ago

I recently read an article that states that maybe Putin kinda outwitted himself in the way that now even if peace could become a possibility this option will not be supported inside of the country because of how government positions are now appointed on the basis of being a war mongrel. Anyway, shit's real bad and I'm glad I don't make decisions for any side

[-] nivenkos@lemmy.world -5 points 8 months ago

I don't support Russia, but you need to be realistic.

Who is going to be driving them out of Ukraine? Biden has refused to send the US military, and Congress refuses to send weapons.

[-] Snowpix@lemmy.ca 3 points 8 months ago

Ukraine will, with support from other countries, as they are now. We need more support for Ukraine, who has already done an excellent job stopping Russia's progress. Ukraine can only get stronger with more support. Biden can't send the US military because that turns into a full blown conflict between Russia and America, which would be worse for everybody.

[-] Aermis@lemmy.world 1 points 8 months ago

Also it's an election year. Biden isn't refusing to send support. Congress is.

[-] nivenkos@lemmy.world 1 points 8 months ago

Biden could put boots on the ground tomorrow if he wanted to. The Commander-in-Chief has full control of military operations.

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