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submitted 7 months ago by bartolomeo@suppo.fi to c/memes@lemmy.ml

Reading about the current events got me looking into the history of Palestine and Israel, and I noticed a lot of Israel's politicians (like Yitzhak Shamir, Menachem Begin, and Ariel Sharon to name a few) were Zionist terrorists (using the word literally, not subjectively) since before the establishment of Israel. The groups they belonged to, like Haganah, Irgun, and Lehi have been designated terrorist organizations by the United Nations, British, and United States governments, and

Albert Einstein, in a letter to The New York Times in 1948, compared Irgun and its successor Herut party to "Nazi and Fascist parties" and described it as a "terrorist, right wing, chauvinist organization".

The Zionists have explained their view as follows:

Neither Jewish ethics nor Jewish tradition can disqualify terrorism as a means of combat. We are very far from having any moral qualms as far as our national war goes. We have before us the command of the Torah, whose morality surpasses that of any other body of laws in the world: "Ye shall blot them out to the last man."

and

Late in 1940, Lehi, having identified a common interest between the intentions of the new German order and Jewish national aspirations, proposed forming an alliance in World War II with Nazi Germany.[22] The organization offered cooperation in the following terms: Lehi would rebel against the British, while Germany would recognize an independent Jewish state in Palestine/Eretz Israel, and all Jews leaving their homes in Europe, by their own will or because of government injunctions, could enter Palestine with no restriction of numbers.[32] Late in 1940, Lehi representative Naftali Lubenchik went to Beirut to meet German official Werner Otto von Hentig. The Lehi documents outlined that its rule would be authoritarian and indicated similarities between the organization and Nazis.

It just gets worse the more you look into it, but it does give important context to the current genocide in Gaza, and to the decades old conflict in general.

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[-] nonailsleft@lemm.ee 3 points 7 months ago

They chose it both for religious and for practical reasons. They also considered Argentine, for example.

The muslims also claimed the land should, historically, belong to muslims, so there's that.

Which region would you have suggested the jews of the Ottoman empire to congregate?

[-] bartolomeo@suppo.fi 0 points 7 months ago

They also considered Argentine, for example.

Is that so? What pretext would they have had for stealing land in Argentina?

[-] nonailsleft@lemm.ee 1 points 7 months ago

Which pretext did those Italians have to, as you call it, "steal land in Argentina"?

[-] bartolomeo@suppo.fi 0 points 7 months ago

Stop deflecting. It seems like you don't have any answers.

Spain had no right to colonize what is now Argentina. Stealing land is wrong, genocide is wrong. These are not difficult concepts and they apply to everyone.

Still waiting to hear about Zionists planning to establish Israel in Argentina.

[-] nonailsleft@lemm.ee 0 points 7 months ago

If you have access to the internets, you are free to learn

On your other points: yeah colonisation bad immigration bad human history bad I get ya

[-] bartolomeo@suppo.fi 3 points 7 months ago

Thanks for finally putting up a link. It doesn't mention anything about Zionism, though, but a few links in it does say that

Zadoc Kahn presented the German Jewish philanthropist Baron Maurice de Hirsch with the project of setting up a Jewish settlement in Argentina, before JCA was created in 1891. Theodor Herzl considered it expensive and unrealistic. In 1896, when Hirsch died, the association owned a thousand square kilometers of land in the country on which lived a thousand households, the “Jewish gauchos”. It focused on agricultural settlements in Argentina until East European Jews were forbidden to emigrate there. In 1920, 150,000 Jews lived in Argentina[8] and new settlements appeared: (Lapin, Rivera), Entre Ríos (San Gregorio, Villa Domínguez, Carmel, Ingeniero Sajaroff, Villa Clara, and Villaguay),[9] and Santa Fe (Moisés Ville) (about 64% Jews lived in Entre Ríos.)[10]

Please remember that Jewish immigrants != Zionism and that Zionism is not the same a Judaism.

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