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Meet the viral gun influencers pushing a hardline Christian beliefs
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Left wingers, scootch. Let's have a little talk. You need to go to the range.
Just learn how a rifle or a handgun works, because at the end of the day a fat gravy seal might be coming to kill you or your spouse because you're gay, or trans, or brown, or black, or anything outside the inbread and brain dead ethno-state dreamt up in the head of fascists who want a return to yee olde nationalism so they can jerk themselves to sleep thinking of their "great leader".
So learn handling, reloading, unjamming, all kinds of stuff. You don't need to buy one - though you probably should, along with the means to secure it - but learning and knowing is something you should probably set as a goal.
Just saying.
Gonna be real honest chief, I'm more scared of you going on a rampage because of your gun toting boogie man than I'm scared of your boogie man.
You wanna own a gun? Cool do it. You wanna own 50? I might raise an eyebrow, express a little concern but do it. (Every collector should raise an eyebrow at other collectors, it helps keep us in check). But man when you start sipping that fearaid please stay the fuck away from me. Nothing scarier than a gun owner preparing against an imaginary boogie man.
Did in any way dog whistle some form of left-wing violent revolution? Preparedness alone is a good thing, to be able to defend yourself. Learning how to use a rifle is a good thing, because you live in a perpetual state of gun violence anyways.
As for me? I don't live in the states. I don't need a gun. But if I had police killing innocent people like it's a sport in my surroundings, I would. The US police force is just a couple of steps away from wearing leather boots and knocking on doors. Word to Cop City.
Good luck. You'll need it.
Advocating for people to exercise their right to protect themselves is not advocating of violence. It's being realistic about where we live, how we live our lives, and who lives by us.
Just ignore him. He's a gaslighting troll. The username is pmmeyourtits... Don't wish them good luck. I hope you fall into a hole pmmeyourtits.
You first dick nozzle.
https://ani.social/comment/4096885
If you think the threat fascists pose is imaginary, you haven't been paying attention.
Lol, forget January 6th 2021 so soon?
Myanmar?
Iran murdering the protestors?
Who is protecting you? The police?
Nope: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warren_v._District_of_Columbia
Forget the police violence of the George floydd protests?
Ya must have a bad memory.
You think you'd have a chance against the government oppression? If there is a terrible revolution and you pose a danger to the government and they really want to kill you, they will not send people after you.
They will send a drone or three, tracking you by your cell phone when you're traveling by car.
Easy pickings, and you'll never know what hit you. Your gun is useless for that scenario.
https://ani.social/comment/4096885
Perhaps reading everything someone has said would behoove you before you start insulting them.
Buddy, the only thing having a gun is going to protect you from is one psychopath coming in to your home trying to kill you. And even then, you've got better then 50% odds to kill someone in your own family before you kill that guy.
If you think having a gun will protect you from the police, or the military, you've lost your fucking mind.
You simply don't have the resources to put up that fight, and you never will. The only thing having a gun will do for you there is ensure that you don't survive your encounter.
You forget Waco? Or that police can legally demolish any house they want if they think the guy they want is inside and has a guy? https://www.mlive.com/news/kalamazoo/2021/11/police-release-name-of-man-fatally-shot-in-16-hour-standoff.html
We need significant reform, not doomers arming themselves to the teeth and looking for an excuse.
I understand where you're coming from. Obviously, non-violent means of enacting change like voting in reform should be the first choice to get things done.
What options exist when nonviolent means are exhausted though? Your argument is essentially:
"The government has the means to oppress the shit out of us. If it happens to us, there's no point in fighting back so just roll with it and let it happen. I feel it's better to have others force a way of life on me that I fundamentally disagree with, than it is to risk my life fighting for what I believe in so myself, my children, and foreseeable future generations can live their lives free of oppression."
With that, I hope you understand why I and many other disagree with your view.
Buying a gun is a donation to the very worst members of the Republican party and permissive gun laws do far more to enable extremists than dissuade them.
If this bullshit worked, America would already be the safest country on earth by a huge margin.
I mean, so is paying taxes? I think equating purchasing any firearm from anyone to financing the republican party isn't really a sensible claim. It's not like the profit from every gun sale is going directly to the NRA.
If gun control laws were feasible in America I wouldn't have to arm myself to protect my family from a bunch of racist dudes in a militia......
If America was inhabited by reasonable people who would tolerate reasonable gun control laws, I would fully support them. We do not live in that country, nor do I ever foresee us living in that country.
Instead liberals have spent a decade of political effort to die on a hill without making an iota of progress. Guns laws are among the largest drivers of single issue voters to the GOP. Fighting this unwinnable battle has done nothing but drive gun sales and secure easy votes for conservatives.
Plus, even if we did somehow pass legislation through Congress, you really think the vultures on the current supreme Court would really let it stand?
The only way America has ever passed gun control laws is when the "wrong people" armed themselves and started to make "up right citizens" nervous. If you really want gun control, arm yourself and make the "upright citizens" question the wisdom of their own beliefs.
You don't have to guess. Around $16 million dollars per year of that profit is going to far-right Republicans. It used to only be $8 million a year but for some mysterious reason it doubled in 2012.
Honestly, what more could the far-right possibly ask of their useful pro-gun idiots on the left? They're allowing fascists and fuckwits to buy all the guns they want and enriching deeply evil groups and giving the state all the excuse they need to execute minorities in the street. Another 6 months of propaganda and you'll be telling people on social media that it's heroic to let neonazis finish in your mouth.
Not very consistent in your ideals are you? We've been waiting 40 years for guns to deliver on all the bullshit promises that gun advocates make. They're going to stop crime, but the crime rate is functionally identical to the rest of the wealthy world, only with a layer of murder on top. They're going to stop tyranny, but America is on the brink of fascism. They're going to save all the minorities, but the most vulnerable groups are openly attacked by politicians and media organizations, with none of the progress made being owed to guns.
You're here literally trying to drive up gun sales for a battle that isn't just unwinnable, it's demonstrably unnecessary.
Damn that sucks bro have you tried shooting them with your cool guns?
Oh you mean the Black Panther Party? The people who did the exact thing you're talking about? The ones who were demonized by the media and executed by the state? The ones whose goals still haven't been achieved?
I know you're trying for the slimy pro-gun "gun control is racist" talking point but all you're really doing is giving an example of a group that committed to exactly what you're advocating and it didn't fucking work.
Lol, 8-16 million dollars is a tiny fraction of gun sales in America, you just proved my point.
My dude, they already have the guns. They already have their people in Congress and in the judicial system, gun laws are not happening. If you could actually pass them, I'd gladly give up my rifle.
Lol, I'm not trying to solve crime, I'm just protecting my home. Mainly because the state is unwilling to do so.
Personal protection is an unwinnable battle?
No I mean every weapons prohibition going back to before we were a country has been based on prohibiting people of color from protecting themselves. Free black families weren't even allowed to own guard dogs, as it made it harder for lynching mobs to have their fun.
Can you name a weapons prohibition in America that was not spurred on by race relations in America?
You are just a privileged liberal who has no grasp on anything outside your lily white bubble of comfort your life has afforded you.
I still haven't heard how exactly you would confront someone who's trying to do you violence. I know you have no experience being hated for the color of your skin, but I'm sure you have an imagination of sorts. So, how do you talk your way out of a hate crime?
What point? You barely made one. You claimed it was unfair to claim that gun sales fund Republicans but offered no other source for that money.
As far as I can tell, you're just limply offering vague "it's not even that much money" comments, pretending like you'd casually turn down a $15 million per year budget at work.
Yep, and now they're suckering undesirables into giving them an excuse to use them.
Love that you didn't say you're defending people in your home, because you've put them at demonstrably more risk.
But that was never really the point anyway was it? You didn't buy cameras, or motion lights, or alarms, or stronger locks. You bought a rifle. It's not only less effective as a form of security, it's not even a good gun for the job.
It's a battle that literally only exists in your imagination and you're sacrificing actual peoples lives for your cringe little hero fantasy where you murder someone for trying to steal your iPad.
LOL you absolutely didn't mean that. You specifically said "gun control" and now you're trying to wriggle your way out of it with more bullshit.
Black people didn't shoot their way out of oppression and widespread gun ownership has done absolutely nothing to promote equality, it's just gotten more people murdered.
I'm sure that would have really hurt my feelings if I somehow didn't know anything about myself or the life I've lived. Could you have made it any clearer that you're trying to self-soothe? You don't even have a profile picture to go on.
And you still haven't told us how you're going to shoot the people in your imagination (although I guess the higher suicide risk you've opted everyone in your house into might cover it).
It would almost be worth doxxing myself just to show you how fucking stupid you look claiming to "know" things. Are we really supposed to politely pretend your opinions aren't worthless as we watch you literally imagine things and then claim to know them as facts?
No, I'm not joining you in your fantasy world, especially when there are actual hate crimes to use. So how should George Floyd have shot his way out of systemic violence? What about Trayvon Martin? Fuck, how about Amir Locke?
Don't be coy, tell us exactly when they should have drawn their gun and started firing and how they would have lived happily ever after if they'd just let the gun lobby finish in their mouth.