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submitted 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) by AVincentInSpace@pawb.social to c/196@lemmy.blahaj.zone

I don't like Biden either, but anyone with half a brain knows there are two choices in the 2020 election. If we had a sane voting system, voting third party might be worth it, but as it stands, no one but you knows your favorite candidate exists and unless you want to become their campaign manager that will still be true in November. Even if you did, and even if you convinced two thirds of the people who would otherwise have voted for Biden to vote for your chosen candidate instead, Trump would still win because half the country voted for him and your guy only got a third. If you vote third party you might as well stay home.

Not voting isn't going to stop the genocide in Gaza. The US will continue to funnel them arms no matter which candidate wins this November. Trump practically campaigns on how much he hates the Jews and he's publicly told Israel to "finish up their war". He'll also make life a living hell for anyone who isn't a straight cisgender male back here at home.

A vote for a candidate is not an endorsement of them or their policies, it's a statement that you like their policies more than the other guy's, and "sticking it to liberals" and "refusing to support genocide" (that's not what voting for Biden is doing, by the way -- a vote for either candidate is a vote for genocide and a vote for neither is an endorsement of both) is not more important than keeping the furthest right politician America has ever seen out of office.

How incredibly privileged do you have to be to see an entire national election as what will happen in the Middle East and ignore Trump's campaign promises to wipe transgender Americans off the map, and further, to not realize that the same thing will happen in the Middle East regardless of which candidate wins?

I hate Biden as much as every other leftist here. But I'll still vote for him because Trump is worse. If there's a single bone in your body that cares about the lives of your trans friends you will too.

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[-] bigfoot@lemm.ee 15 points 8 months ago

Are you suggesting she wasn't electable? She had 3 million more votes than Trump, and only lost overall because of a few thousand votes in specific states. it was almost down to a coin flip. She was entirely electable.

[-] multifariace@lemmy.world 9 points 8 months ago

Bernie would not have been close to losing. Appointing another typical Democrat to represent the party will only result in close elections that can swing either way. Trump took that small margin of a win because he was not your typical candidate.

If either party can choose someone who will stand against the oligarchic trend, then there will be no contest against them. Such a candidate in either of the controlling parties would allow voters to rise above their fear based decisions as well as energize disenfranchised voters.

So yes, I am suggesting she was unelectable for those reasons. A coin flip win is clearly not electability.

I just realized a good analogy. Our two parties are comparable to Nascar in that they are stock cars with little to no room for modification that would make them faster vehicles. Trump won because was giving the middle finger to the other drivers. Bernie was disqualified because he was cheating with rocket boosters on his car.

[-] bigfoot@lemm.ee 6 points 8 months ago

A coin flip win is clearly not electability.

if it gets someone elected it is

[-] multifariace@lemmy.world 6 points 8 months ago

It got Bush elected. It got Trump elected. It got Biden elected. If you think 50/50 means electable, then you really don't care who wins.

[-] bigfoot@lemm.ee 4 points 8 months ago

"Getting elected isn't electable" - A MAGA supporter on Lemmy pretending not to be, 2024

[-] Maggoty@lemmy.world 3 points 8 months ago

And then she lost. For largely avoidable reasons.

[-] RizzRustbolt@lemmy.world 2 points 8 months ago

She had Michigan in the bag, no need to even show up there.

[-] Maggoty@lemmy.world 2 points 8 months ago

Please tell me this is sarcasm. I can't tell anymore.

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