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submitted 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) by AVincentInSpace@pawb.social to c/196@lemmy.blahaj.zone

I don't like Biden either, but anyone with half a brain knows there are two choices in the 2020 election. If we had a sane voting system, voting third party might be worth it, but as it stands, no one but you knows your favorite candidate exists and unless you want to become their campaign manager that will still be true in November. Even if you did, and even if you convinced two thirds of the people who would otherwise have voted for Biden to vote for your chosen candidate instead, Trump would still win because half the country voted for him and your guy only got a third. If you vote third party you might as well stay home.

Not voting isn't going to stop the genocide in Gaza. The US will continue to funnel them arms no matter which candidate wins this November. Trump practically campaigns on how much he hates the Jews and he's publicly told Israel to "finish up their war". He'll also make life a living hell for anyone who isn't a straight cisgender male back here at home.

A vote for a candidate is not an endorsement of them or their policies, it's a statement that you like their policies more than the other guy's, and "sticking it to liberals" and "refusing to support genocide" (that's not what voting for Biden is doing, by the way -- a vote for either candidate is a vote for genocide and a vote for neither is an endorsement of both) is not more important than keeping the furthest right politician America has ever seen out of office.

How incredibly privileged do you have to be to see an entire national election as what will happen in the Middle East and ignore Trump's campaign promises to wipe transgender Americans off the map, and further, to not realize that the same thing will happen in the Middle East regardless of which candidate wins?

I hate Biden as much as every other leftist here. But I'll still vote for him because Trump is worse. If there's a single bone in your body that cares about the lives of your trans friends you will too.

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[-] gastationsushi@lemmy.world 18 points 8 months ago

There aren't many people that call themselves leftist and elections are won for Democrats by getting disinterested voters to the polls.

This meme is trash and serves no purpose other than dividing people. Anyone worried about Biden to losing this election should hope he changes strategies and starts motivating voters like he did 2020.

[-] bigfoot@lemm.ee 29 points 8 months ago

Your strategy for stopping MAGA is... hoping harder?

[-] gastationsushi@lemmy.world 13 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Hoping is all any of us can do. There is only one leader that can fix Biden's campaign, and that person ain't me.

I've tried to message the campaign only to get ignored. I won't stop that, but one voter who doesn't live in a swing state doesn't actually have any say in the Electoral College.

[-] AVincentInSpace@pawb.social 14 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Hoping is all any of us can do.

We could also -- and hear me out on this -- vote for the candidate who isn't trying to make there be genocide in two countries instead of one

[-] gastationsushi@lemmy.world 5 points 8 months ago

One genocide is less than two, quite the campaign slogan.

[-] AVincentInSpace@pawb.social 8 points 8 months ago

As previously discussed, zero isn't an option, so I'll take the lesser of two evils.

[-] gastationsushi@lemmy.world 5 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Why would I fault you or anyone for voting Biden? It's the better choice out of the two.

I fault Biden for not campaigning like he did in 2020.

[-] go_go_gadget@lemmy.world 1 points 8 months ago

I fault Biden for not campaigning like he did in 2020.

He can't. His campaign was successful in some part due to the fact that he talked a good game with progressives and leftists and made them feel like he was going to work with them throughout his presidency.

He did not. Nobody is going to believe him the second time around.

[-] gastationsushi@lemmy.world 3 points 8 months ago

Biden had a good SOTU which did bump his polls. If he could run townhalls like that every month he would win this thing. But he can't because he'd rather arm a gruesome genocide where he has to hide from his own voters like a war criminal in a bunker.

[-] RizzRustbolt@lemmy.world 7 points 8 months ago

Biden 2024: One Genocide is Enough!

[-] Pan_Ziemniak@midwest.social 1 points 8 months ago

Ill tell the ppl of Ukraine, sorry, but biden dont care about Gaza, so fuck off!

[-] go_go_gadget@lemmy.world 3 points 8 months ago
[-] bigfoot@lemm.ee 5 points 8 months ago

Oh wow hoping and a message! Sorry I doubted your patriotism 🫡

[-] gastationsushi@lemmy.world 2 points 8 months ago

I vote in every election. But that ain't enough for sanctimonious prick like yourself.

[-] megopie@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 points 8 months ago

Seriously, people need to stop condescending to disaffected voters and start screaming at their representatives and local party leaders to support policies that will actually excite voters.

The onus is on the Democratic Party to win this election, not on everyone to the left of them to drag a stagnant DNC over the finish line.

[-] gastationsushi@lemmy.world 1 points 8 months ago

Imagine an America where we expected leaders to fix shit...

[-] anticolonialist@lemmy.world 3 points 8 months ago

He could do a total 180 and most of us will still remember what hes allowed to happen. I expect politicians to do what's right the first time, not because it might impact their chances of staying in power.

[-] gastationsushi@lemmy.world 4 points 8 months ago

Yea, I hate the dupoly too. But as the difference between candidates grows, so does the motivation to vote for one.

Let's say Biden stops the genocide and holds Netenyahu to account. Muslims in swing states have a real reason to show up and vote because Trump would definitely allow the genocide to restart.

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