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submitted 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) by AVincentInSpace@pawb.social to c/196@lemmy.blahaj.zone

I don't like Biden either, but anyone with half a brain knows there are two choices in the 2020 election. If we had a sane voting system, voting third party might be worth it, but as it stands, no one but you knows your favorite candidate exists and unless you want to become their campaign manager that will still be true in November. Even if you did, and even if you convinced two thirds of the people who would otherwise have voted for Biden to vote for your chosen candidate instead, Trump would still win because half the country voted for him and your guy only got a third. If you vote third party you might as well stay home.

Not voting isn't going to stop the genocide in Gaza. The US will continue to funnel them arms no matter which candidate wins this November. Trump practically campaigns on how much he hates the Jews and he's publicly told Israel to "finish up their war". He'll also make life a living hell for anyone who isn't a straight cisgender male back here at home.

A vote for a candidate is not an endorsement of them or their policies, it's a statement that you like their policies more than the other guy's, and "sticking it to liberals" and "refusing to support genocide" (that's not what voting for Biden is doing, by the way -- a vote for either candidate is a vote for genocide and a vote for neither is an endorsement of both) is not more important than keeping the furthest right politician America has ever seen out of office.

How incredibly privileged do you have to be to see an entire national election as what will happen in the Middle East and ignore Trump's campaign promises to wipe transgender Americans off the map, and further, to not realize that the same thing will happen in the Middle East regardless of which candidate wins?

I hate Biden as much as every other leftist here. But I'll still vote for him because Trump is worse. If there's a single bone in your body that cares about the lives of your trans friends you will too.

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[-] gmtom@lemmy.world 21 points 8 months ago

Remember Biden isn't actually the one doing the genocide. That's Netanyahu and the other Israeli politicians. Let's not delete their blame by including Biden who has been putting in /some/ effort to stop it (not enough imo, but undeniably some). And remember that even if he stopped weapons shipments the day of the invasion, it wouldn't have changed the outcome at all.

[-] anticolonialist@lemmy.world 17 points 8 months ago

Remember Charles Manson wasnt the one that actually did any killings, therefore he must be innocent. Biden is providing the money and weapons to kill, therefore he is responsible, and has done nothing to stop it.

[-] ieatpillowtags@lemm.ee 10 points 8 months ago

See you’re just being factually incorrect now.

[-] flying_sheep@lemmy.ml 5 points 8 months ago

Wow what a horrible take. Just think about why this comparison is complete bullshit for a second and you'll see.

[-] ZombiFrancis@sh.itjust.works 12 points 8 months ago

Israel has always been days or weeks away from running out of ammunition and bombs. If shipments stop the bombings would stop. They've reupped and reupped and Biden even bypassed Congress to continue supplying bombs.

[-] Maggoty@lemmy.world 9 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

He's completely enabling it. The UN would have already stepped in if we weren't blocking anything above saying the words, "Please Stop."

The criminal justice system recognizes this. It charges the driver, the lookout, and the trigger puller with Felony Murder.

[-] gmtom@lemmy.world 5 points 8 months ago

The fuck you mean the UN would have "stepped in"?

Like you think the UN is going to send troops to stop Isreal??? Or you think that Israel will decide its going to comply with a resolution for the first time?

The criminal justice system recognizes this. It charges the driver, the lookout, and the trigger puller with Felony Murder.

Apples to orsnges. Do gun shop owners get charged with murder for selling guns to people who use them to commit murder? No ofc course not.

[-] Maggoty@lemmy.world 5 points 8 months ago

I'm talking specifically about him blocking action by the UN. And yes, Israel is not special. If they ignore a binding resolution to stop then the UN will deploy.

Oh and yes, states do charge gun shop clerks if they knowingly sell a gun to be used in a crime or knowingly make an illegal sale, such as the Leahy Law the administration is taking great pains to ignore.

[-] ieatpillowtags@lemm.ee 4 points 8 months ago

The UN can’t “step in” regardless, plus we let the cease fire resolution pass this time so if they could step in we’re not blocking it.

[-] Maggoty@lemmy.world 4 points 8 months ago

We let a non-binding resolution pass. The UN is absolutely capable of stepping in, from the Korean War to the Ivory Coast. There's even movies about it.

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