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[-] Dasus@lemmy.world 21 points 7 months ago

I mean that's a nice comment and all but

many intersex possibilities on the gender spectrum

Sex and gender are different, although often conflated because a lot of the times they're still used interchangeably, as in most contexts sex and gender do align, but not all.

Sex is usually categorized as female or male but there is variation in the biological attributes that comprise sex and how those attributes are expressed. (That's the part your article and image talk about; sex.) Gender refers to the socially constructed roles, behaviours, expressions and identities of girls, women, boys, men, and gender diverse people

https://cihr-irsc.gc.ca/e/48642.html

[-] spujb@lemmy.cafe 8 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

no offense but why did you phrase this as though you disagreed lol the graphic in the comment clearly lays out the same distinction just in a different way

In an additional layer of complexity, the gender with which a person identifies does not always align with the sex they* are assigned at birth, and they may not be wholly male or female.

[-] Dasus@lemmy.world 9 points 7 months ago

I'm not disagreeing with the information in the picture, I'm reiterating it to someone who's use of language showed they either phrased themselves poorly or don't yet fully understand the distinction between "sex" and "gender".

Clarifying.

[-] spujb@lemmy.cafe 3 points 7 months ago

ok gotcha personally to me it looks like they get it and typed a funky short comment but you do you 👍

[-] Dasus@lemmy.world 7 points 7 months ago

"many intersex possibilities on the gender spectrum" is "funky"", yeah.

"intersex possibilities" don't exist on the gender spectrum, because the gender spectrum is about gender and not about sex, which has it's own (albeit more polarised) spectrum.

Hope that makes it clear (although I thought I made it clear that was what I was objecting to in my earlier comment)

[-] spujb@lemmy.cafe 5 points 7 months ago

i guess i gave them a more charitable framing of their comment like: “there are many possible states of being intersex; individuals of all sexes can find themselves anywhere on the gender spectrum regardless of sex”

without hearing what they meant, both your framing and mine are valid given such a short comment i just didn’t immediately see yours at first. cheers 🥂

[-] GrymEdm@lemmy.world 4 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

For what it's worth thanks for giving me the benefit of the doubt. Given that this whole post is about trans folks I think sex, sexuality, and gender are all applicable topics (with gender spectrum focal when talking about trans). I do understand the difference. To defend the person who wants clarification, perhaps I could have framed it better and I'll change it to "and the gender spectrum" instead of "on the gender spectrum". It's one word and what is meant is pretty apparent to anyone who reads the article or looks at the expanded graphic - which addresses concepts of sex, sexuality, and gender and explicitly uses the term "gender spectrum" when talking about trans choices/identity.

[-] spujb@lemmy.cafe 2 points 7 months ago

no problem! language is the key thing that trans people need to understand and represent themselves and so any and all discussion towards modeling language to support that need is a positive :)

[-] Dasus@lemmy.world 2 points 7 months ago

Cheers m8

[-] chiliedogg@lemmy.world 3 points 7 months ago

It's important to understand the difference between sex and gender. Even within the trans community very few people understand the difference.

Gender is about societal roles, whereas sex is about biology. You can reject your societal gender role without wanting to change your body, and you can want to change your body while embracing your gender role.