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Pride should stem from good personal decisions or accomplishments given one's situation and life circumstances. Being born somewhere isn't a decision nor an accomplishment.

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[-] cloudless@lemmy.cafe 7 points 7 months ago

You still have your identity without having to feel proud about it.

My country sucks big time. Should I feel ashamed even though I contributed nothing to its suckiness?

[-] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 1 points 7 months ago

You nailed it. Most correct and succinct comment in the thread.

[-] Laticauda@lemmy.ca -1 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

That's a leap in logic. Pride is a personal thing no one else can dictate what you are or aren't proud of, nor can they dictate what you're ashamed of. Someone else being proud of their heritage in no way implies that you have to he ashamed of yours.

[-] cloudless@lemmy.cafe 1 points 7 months ago

They can feel whatever they want, it is their freedom.

I am just saying that there is no good reason for their national pride.

[-] Laticauda@lemmy.ca 0 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

The long standing definitions of the word that don't necessitate that you can only be proud of things you've personally done seem like plenty good reason to me. National pride isn't an excuse to be an asshole or a bigot or to oppress people, but national pride has never been necessary for people to exhibit that sort of behaviour. Being proud of your origins and your roots and where you've come from is not inherently a bad thing if you're mindful about it. And just because you don't personally feel proud of your own roots, and I'm sure your reasons for feeling that way are perfectly legitimate, that doesn't mean you have to project your personal feelings towards your own roots on other people who feel differently about theirs.

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