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[-] exocrinous@startrek.website 2 points 7 months ago

Also, I'm a soulist. I recognise that all parts of our experiential reality are subjective and socially constructed. And right now, that reality is defined by the rich and powerful. You cannot fight a war while believing that your enemy's weapons are natural and immutable. You cannot fight the rich from inside a reality they control and win. Even if you kill them all, you'll still live in the world they created. You need to take power over reality for the people. That's the only way anyone can ever be free.

[-] sqgl@beehaw.org 2 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

The shepherd drives the wolf from the sheep’s throat, for which the sheep thanks the shepherd as a liberator, while the wolf denounces him for the same act as the destroyer of liberty, especially as the sheep was a black one. Plainly the sheep and the wolf are not agreed upon a definition of the word liberty.

Quoted from Abraham Lincoln

[-] exocrinous@startrek.website 1 points 7 months ago

WTF does the sheep's colour have to go with liberty? Do black sheep taste better? I thought their colour only mattered to humans because humans like to dye their woolen garments. A wolf doesn't need to dye clothes.

[-] mozz@mbin.grits.dev 4 points 7 months ago

“Black sheep” I took to be in the sense of, you can throw a bunch of criticism at the person you’re oppressing and make it clear they’re an outlier from humanity and make it more palatable that you’re doing that and change the subject.

“You shouldn’t be killing Gazan children on an industrial scale” “But they’re monsters, look at how terrible was Hamas’s attack on our music festival!” Things like that.

[-] exocrinous@startrek.website 1 points 7 months ago

If I was the wolf, I'd just point out that the shepherd eats lamb too, and is therefore just as much a murderer. The only difference is the amount of power in the equation. The wolf doesn't need to be bigoted to make its point, there are much better criticisms against the way the shepherd deprives the sheep of liberty. I didn't really understand why Lincoln was describing a foolish wolf who attacks the shepherd for bad reasons instead of readily available good ones. What the wolf says is pretty nonsense to me.

[-] sqgl@beehaw.org 1 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

That Lincone guy who said it was a famous dude for being smart and shit. Could be hype eh?

[-] mozz@mbin.grits.dev 3 points 7 months ago

"I looked at something Lincoln said, and it didn't right away make sense to me. Clearly, then, this Lincoln guy needs to get on my level."

[-] sqgl@beehaw.org 4 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

So I looked it up....

Soulism is a school of anarchist thought which argues that reality, the laws of physics, and the limitations of our bodies are unjust heirarchies which must be abolished.

https://www.reddit.com/r/serioussoulism/

I think I am done chatting with this person after mistakenly embarking in good faith. You spotted the evangelical kookiness quicker than I did.

[-] exocrinous@startrek.website 2 points 7 months ago

You know how transphobes say to trans women, "You're a biological man, that's a physical fact of reality and you can't change that"? That's the kind of reality, law of physics, and limitation of our bodies that soulism seeks to abolish. Soulism recognises that such "laws" of reality as immutable sex are myths, and seek to abolish all belief in such laws.

[-] sqgl@beehaw.org 1 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

He probably was drawing the analogy with the landowners exploiting black people.

And black sheep are rejected by the flock apparently.

[-] exocrinous@startrek.website 1 points 7 months ago

Oh okay. So what does racists complaining that the government freed slaves have to do with soulism?

[-] sqgl@beehaw.org 1 points 7 months ago

TBH I didn't understand your soulism comment or how it is connected with your original comment.

I was really just supporting your original comment.

[-] exocrinous@startrek.website 1 points 7 months ago

Oh, okay. Soulism expands on the fact that everything is a bias.

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