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[-] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 1 points 6 months ago

Pure Communism, ie the formation of society after the contradictions within Socialism have been resolved, is not called a Utopia except by anti-communists.

[-] peterg75@mastodon.social 1 points 6 months ago

@Cowbee
Resolved how? Did I somehow miss a memo?

There's a reason that all past attempts at the establishment of communist states have failed. Lenin, Mao, et al, had grand ideas steeped in Marxist teachings. All of them ended up in an authoritarian state. Cuba, North Korea, China, USSR. All failed because of the human factor.

[-] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 1 points 6 months ago

Contradiction refers to the remaining vestiges from Capitalism, ie a State, Class, and Money. I suggest reading up on Historical Materialism and Dialectics.

Secondly, failing because of "the human factor" is a purely idealistic outlook and not a materialist analysis, you're arguing off of vibes.

[-] peterg75@mastodon.social 1 points 6 months ago

@Cowbee that's funny, you calling me idealist, and you proposing classless, stateless society.

Hilarious.

[-] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 1 points 6 months ago

Yes, you are quite literally an idealist by citing "the Human Factor" as a necessary reason for issues faced by AES countries.

Idealism proposes the idea of unchanging Human characteristics, Materialism proposes the idea that environments shape ideas. The former is undoubdtedly unscientific, while the latter is scientific.

Fighting for a goal is not what I am referring to as Idealism.

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