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"We can help you push Biden left once he's president!" - Dems in 2020
Don't vote -> ??? -> World peace
Draw me the rest of the fucking owl. I've yet to hear a plan as to how not voting actually helps anyone.
I have no illusions what Biden is. Or what Trump is. Vote.
How much are you getting paid? I only wish I was as passionate about my job as you are about yours.
I do it for free. Off to Long Beach Pride!
Have fun. If you have your way, it might be for the last time.
We'll survive. We always do.
Yeah well, except those that don't, I guess
If you want nudge your government to the left you certainly won't achieve it by letting the candidate from the right win.
The problem's voting for the candidate doesn't work either. Or Voting 3rd party. Or Voting Republican. Or primarying in a more leftist candidate (because they often fight and lose to the DNC).
Apparently, neither does going on record as not voting for him as a protest. Hmmmm..... what was the way to move the Democrats left?
Election reform. When third parties are viable options (they are absolutely not now and just create a spoiler effect that works against your side), politics will need to shift to accommodate those interests. Push for Ranked Choice Voting and more!
What do you suggest the left do? I know you’ve said you believe in protesting at the polls. What’s step two?
Centrist Dems went back to brunch and got lazy once Biden won. Maybe we need a fire lit under people's asses to get them in the streets and fighting for change again.
Garbage babe. Utter dog pile. Tripe. Sweetheart, let auntie cup your bright little cheeks between her hands, look you in eye, and tell you things you dont want to hear.
Trump wants to use lethal force on protesters and half the country will cheer him on while he does it. Both sides are not the same. The 2025 project will get rid of all those pesky civil servants that stood in the way the last time he suggested it and the US is great at marginalizing 'militant' actors.
'Fine people on both sides' do you not remember? Were you too young to pay attention? Under trump we will lose a 'fight in the streets.' Go read some about the histories of what happens to all the good little leftists when the gloves come off.
It doesn't matter if you were right. The state will make up an excuse as to why you deserved it, and enough people will buy it or be too afraid to make themselves a target by protesting. The boat will not rock, the needle of the cause will not move. For example: how much time did your school spend on the battle of Blair Mountain? We've tried this before, again and again, and the military buries the evidence and we forget.
The better agent of change, albeit slow and unsatisfying, is to convince people they have a conscience and should listen to it. Vote you motherfucker, it's like wearing a seatbelt.
Slight correction- no one stood in Trump’s way when he fired rubber bullets on protesters in DC, or when he sent tanks and armed forces to turn Portland into a police state.
He’s already got a loophole for that.
https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinion/trump-barr-used-loophole-deploy-national-guard-u-s-cities-ncna1236034
To be fair, I think we've been using rubber bullets on innocent people for a while now. Who remembers Occupy? (Protect your eyes! Some of the shitbags aim for the head.)
So you’re an accelerationist? You believe a Trump presidency would lead to a violent revolution that will improve the nation?
I believe Biden's already lost. We're getting Trump regardless.
Your frequent anti-Biden posts really seem to be focused on ensuring you’re right. You do realize your opinion isn’t prophecy, right?
You're telling people like this they need to shut up, sit down, and do what you tell them to do.
https://x.com/SabbySabs2/status/1792259157908771009
I’m ensuring people are informed before making a choice. If someone chooses to abstain, they should know that increases the likelihood of Trump winning the election. If they prefer Trump over Biden, then they can abstain with informed conviction.
I guess Biden and Dems should get to work earning those votes then, right?
Biden rejoined the Paris Climate Agreement, revoked the Keystone Pipeline permit, created a 13 million acre federal petroleum reserve for Alaskan wildlife, greatly increased oil site lease cost, signed $7B in solar subsidies, invested $66B in passenger rail, enacted the Inflation Reduction act to support clean energy, increased energy efficiency standards on cars, appliances, and industry, created new permitting rules to streamline transmission lines, leveraged the NLRB for an FTC ruling that eliminated non-compete agreements, capped credit card late fees, reduced or outlawed junk fees in several industries, forgave billions in student debt from predatory loans, created the CHIPS Act to improve reliance on domestic technology, reenacted Net Neutrality, repealed Title 42, ended the Muslim Ban, reinstated the law prohibiting Israeli settlement on Palestinian territory, signed the Equality Act for LGBTQ+ rights, restored gay rights to beneficiaries, pardoned thousands of gay veterans from being convicted based on their sexual orientation, reenacted trans care anti-discrimination law, signed the Respect for Marriage Act, enabled unspecified gender on US Passports, rejoined WHO, rescheduled marijuana, banned medical debt from credit reports, actively reducing drug costs with the American Rescue Plan Act…
Trump repealed 112 climate regulations, left the Paris Climate Agreement, disbanded the pandemic response team stalling national pandemic response, left the WHO, repealed trans care anti-discrimination law, repealed gay rights to beneficiaries, enacted Title 42 and the Muslim ban, repealed the law prohibiting Israeli settlements on Palestinian territory, repealed Net Neutrality, provided tax cuts to the wealthy that further widened our already exploitative wealth inequality, increased tariffs on goods costing the consumers, seated the conservatives in SCOTUS that repealed Roe v. Wade…
It’s not a contest if you’ve been paying attention.
Well, you're busy making sure Trump gets his, I suppose. You must be so proud.
So you're a defeatist? Fucking coward.
In good faith: did you hear anyone actually say this? Biden's a Clinton Democrat: more friendly to big business than to the working class. He was never going to be a class-leftist, and nobody promised he would be.
But he has been socially liberal, and he didn't need any nudging. He was always socially liberal.
And those are your choices, for better or worse: an economically right-leaning, socially left-leaning old white man; or an economically hard-right, socially hard-right old white man.
The only way to fix this is to get rid of the electoral college and implement something other than first-past-the-post voting. Not voting is not going to fix it. In the meantime, you try to get the guy elected who isn't trying to instigate a dictatorship.
Biden has not been socially liberal. He's been an establishment Democrat his whole career. He has trailed the left and towed the line of the party, but he has patently not been socially liberal. However, he has atleast brought on policy advisors who are socially liberal like Heather Boushey, Stef Feldman, and Brian Deese.
Here are some links for reference.
https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2019/6/20/18677998/joe-biden-1994-crime-bill-law-mass-incarceration
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/03/09/us/politics/biden-centrist.html
https://www.cnn.com/2021/04/11/opinions/biden-budget-proposal-centrism-ghitis/index.html
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/10/29/us/politics/joe-biden-advisers.html
And you think you'll have better luck with Trump?