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[-] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world -3 points 7 months ago

Once Republicans move us backwards, where we wind up is the new status quo that Democrats keep.

[-] AliasAKA@lemmy.world 0 points 7 months ago

That’s not true at all. Biden specifically has protected more public spaces and land, while Trump specifically attempted to lease / sell / make available more of it to corporate interests. Net neutrality is being restored after it was rolled back under Ajit Pai. We can be frustrated democrats don’t do enough, or aren’t further left, but to say they keep the status quo at the regressive place republicans want to take us is demonstrably wrong. So while maybe they won’t expand affordable care beyond where it currently is, they’ll at least keep it where it is and restore it if possible. If they won’t add new parks, they at least protect the ones we have and cancel corporate interest on existing ones. If they won’t raise the taxes heavily on the rich (which is where I think they’re most guilty of “status quo”), they at least won’t give them trillions in tax breaks like Trump did.

[-] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world -2 points 7 months ago

That’s not true at all. Biden specifically has protected more public spaces and land, while Trump specifically attempted to lease / sell / make available more of it to corporate interests.

https://subscriber.politicopro.com/article/eenews/2024/01/30/biden-administration-oil-drilling-permits-outpace-trump-ee-00138376

Net neutrality is being restored after it was rolled back under Ajit Pai.

I'll consider it an accomplishment when you can speak of it in the past tense.

We can be frustrated democrats don’t do enough, or aren’t further left, but to say they keep the status quo at the regressive place republicans want to take us is demonstrably wrong.

I live near the Texas/Mexico border. Democrats just recently adopted what is essentially Republican policy regarding border security. Republicans did the predictable thing and moved to the right, and now Republicans' previous position is Democrats' reasonable moderate stance.

When Trump said that he wasn't going to support a nationwide abortion ban and instead let the states decide, Democrats said he was just pretending to be moderate on the issue. And suddenly the patchwork of abortion bans is the moderate position.

[-] AliasAKA@lemmy.world 1 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

I can post articles as well.

https://apnews.com/article/biden-public-lands-conservation-leases-40b5f47203bbe92a1186a1a4e9e0ea5d

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Environmental_policy_of_the_Donald_Trump_administration#:~:text=The%20administration%20repealed%20the%20Clean,and%20proposed%20reversals%20of%20environmental

Note that repeals of policies means someone had to have passed it originally. Guess who passed net neutrality originally? Guess who passed the clean water rule? Guess who passed affordable care act? Oh, it seems democrats actually do move us left.

I also live in Texas, a state controlled by Republican interests for the past 20 years. Let’s look instead at locations where a state flipped blue. Just by one example, Michigan then passed a statewide constitutional amendment protecting abortion. You may be upset that we have to get statewide protections passed, but we only have to do that because Republican judges went against some 50 odd years of precedent to force it. So democrats are actually enshrining the very thing that Republicans took away.

Look, you can troll all day and pretend that Democrats are just as bad as republicans, but that’s absolutely wrong on so many issues, and frankly I’m going to exercise my right to vote for the party that will protect the things I want protected and move us further left.

Like logically, you should vote for the furthest left candidate that can actually win the election at every level. Anything less than that and you’re contributing to moving the country to the right. Reap what you sow and what not…

[-] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world -1 points 7 months ago

I love how the immediate assumption in response to criticism is that the critic must be voting third party, not voting, or voting for Trump.

[-] AliasAKA@lemmy.world 2 points 7 months ago

That wasn’t my immediate assumption. That was a conclusion drawn after you repeatedly stated that democrats were moving right and basically did nothing good. Which is fine, and I probably shouldn’t have assumed how you would vote, though given the environment these days it wasn’t too audacious of an assumption.

By all means critique. But also please vote for the furthest left candidate that can win in every election you can vote in. Especially in Texas. This place needs so much damn help, and the Republican leadership definitely isn’t going to help (unless you’re ridiculously wealthy or own a large company). And get others to vote as well, because the only thing that will change Texas is to change the elected officials in charge.

[-] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world -1 points 7 months ago

By all means critique. But also please vote for the furthest left candidate that can win in every election you can vote in.

Already do. Unfortunately, my party does shit like pull the funding from progressive candidates to make sure they can't win (Michelle Vallejo), so I only get to vote for centrists.

[-] AliasAKA@lemmy.world 1 points 7 months ago

Absolutely. But if we can flip Texas from right and alt right to centrist then we may actually get progressive candidates in other areas (and frankly, if we flip Texas blue we will see a shift in policies from republicans to the left). And, perhaps by some miracle, we can get star or ranked choice voting, but that absolutely won’t happen while republicans are in control here.

Here’s to a better Texas (lifts shiner [but prefers one of the many smaller microbrews here])

[-] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world -1 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Absolutely. But if we can flip Texas from right and alt right to centrist then we may actually get progressive candidates in other areas

We'll get as far as centrist and then the party will protect incumbents like Henry Cuellar. (Notice that they're not protecting Bowman because he's a progressive.)

Here’s to a better Texas (lifts shiner [but prefers one of the many smaller microbrews here]

If you ever find yourself in the Rio Grande Valley, I'd recommend the Padre Island Brewing Co.

[-] AliasAKA@lemmy.world 1 points 7 months ago

Maybe, but it would be cool to find out, wouldn’t it? Can’t be worse than right now in Texas haha, so we might as well go blue.

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