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submitted 5 months ago by smeg@feddit.uk to c/linux@lemmy.ml

I'm a regular user of Linux systems but apart from a couple of test Ubuntu installs many years ago they've always been containers or VMs with no DE which I can throw away when I break them. The Steam Deck showcasing how far Wine/Proton has come combined with Windows being Windows has given me the push; I've made a Mint live USB and it's running beautifully on my desktop. I come to you, the masters, with questions before I hit install:

  1. What do you recommend I do about disk partitions? I'm keeping a Windows install for the few things that demand it, does Windows still occasionally destroy Linux partitions? Do I need separate partitions for data and OS? Is it straightforward to add additional distros as new partitions or is that asking for trouble?
  2. Is disk encryption straightforward? And is that likely to upset the Windows partition?
  3. Is cloud storage sync straightforward? It's my off-site backup solution on Android and Windows (using Cryptomator with Dropbox, Google Drive, etc) but I don't think that many providers have Linux clients. Is something like rclone recommended?
  4. Should I just use apt to install software? I know there's some kind of graphical package manager (synaptic?), does that use apt under the covers or is it separate? Is it recommended to install something like Flathub too?
  5. Any other pearls of wisdom? How do I keep everything tidy? Any warnings about what not to do? Should I use a particular terminal emulator or Firefox fork?
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[-] BaumGeist@lemmy.ml 19 points 5 months ago

What do you recommend I do about disk partitions?

I recommend using defaults unless you do disk-level backups, or plan on switching disks/partitions between systems (you can put your whole /home dir on a NAS, but should you?)

I’m keeping a Windows install for the few things that demand it, does Windows still occasionally destroy Linux partitions?

Yes*. Many such cases.

*there's always a reason why it was preventable (as the top comment on that post explains), but c'mon... Really?

Do I need separate partitions for data and OS?

Probably not, for reasons I explained above

Is it straightforward to add additional distros as new partitions or is that asking for trouble?

It's straight-forward-ish. It will require deviating from installer defaults, and depends on how interconnected you want the OSes to be.

This is actually a good reason to get into partitioning shenanigans, if you'll use all the distros regularly, and you want them to have shared access to certain folders (e.g. /root, /var, /home, /tmp, /etc, etc). I recommend turning everything (except windows, /boot and /boot/efi) into logical volumes with LVS to avoid space issues when you can't extend a partition sandwiched in between two others.

By default, /boot and /boot/efi should be their own partitions--/boot should be created for Linux, and Linux will use the EFI partition created by micro$oft--and I'd recommend giving /boot N times the default amount of space (N being the number of distros you plan on keeping in rotation at any given time); this shouldn't eat up too much space, Debian gave me 500 MB for /boot. The reason being /boot carries the kernel images for each and every OS, and often duplicates thereof for rescue backups.

Is disk encryption straightforward? And is that likely to upset the Windows partition?

Yes it's easy with LUKS. Full disk encryption encrypts everything, and that will likely upset windows, idk haven't tried on my dual-boot.

Is cloud storage sync straightforward? It’s my off-site backup solution on Android and Windows (using Cryptomator with Dropbox, Google Drive, etc) but I don’t think that many providers have Linux clients. Is something like rclone recommended?

Yes, if you use a DE with it integrated. Otherwise, it's up to you to choose the right software, rclone looks like a good choice to me, but I have not used it

Should I just use apt to install software? I know there’s some kind of graphical package manager (synaptic?), does that use apt under the covers or is it separate?

synaptic is no longer used iirc. It's just called "Software Manager," but yes, I believe it's just a GUI for apt. I personally prefer doing as much as I can with the command line. Not only is it the simplest, most straightforward way of achieving whatever I'm trying to do, it's usually also the quickest and best documented. YMMV

Is it recommended to install something like Flathub too?

My experience has been to avoid non-defaults as much as possible. If there's a software you can only get as a flatpak and you need that and can't make do with an alternative, then do it. Otherwise, just see what you can do with the apt repositories

Any other pearls of wisdom? ... Any warnings about what not to do?

I could spend a few hours digging up every mistake I made and telling you what not to do, but I'd rather focus on giving you the tools to clean up after yourself when you make your own. The one best piece of advice I can give is "keep at it." There will be times when you shoot yourself in the foot and your options are to give up and lose the foot or do foot surgery right then on your own (with the help of the online community ofc). Don't be afraid to ask questions everywhere or anywhere, don't let assholes dissuade you from enjoying your Linux your way or seeking help doing so, and do read the docs. But most importantly, do keep trying; it's such a rewarding feeling.

Another would be to change as little as possible from a known working configuration at a time. Go with installer defaults as much as you can, change the stuff later. Want to try out new software? Try one new thing and get it working and looking how you envision before moving on. Read the docs so you don't take any settings for granted, that way you're not left with something that's passable instead of exactly what you want.

Make backups. Get a second SSD or an external drive and backup your system. Things like /usr, /etc, /root, and /home at the very minimum. Backups are the best way to unfuck your foot when you inevitably shoot it.

Learn the coreutils. You might not use them daily, but you'll be glad you know they're there when you need them and don't have to install extraneous software that isn't well maintained because it's a redundancy of the most common pieces of linux software.

How do I keep everything tidy?

Learn the FHS. As with most documentation, it's a bit dry, but very enlightening and will automatically put you in the top 10% of linux users with your newfound special knowledge.

There are some automatic file organizers, but you can recreate them yourself to suit your exact needs at 1/10th the resource cost using bash scripts.

Sidebar: another good piece of advice, learn to script in Bash. It basically immediately qualifies you to be a *nix sysadmin, and it makes everything automatable. It's so much easier than downloading new software or compiling a git repo for each individual task you want to automate. Additionally, it helps to learn to use cron, to run the scripts automatically, and to learn a command-line text editor (no, nano does not count)--but those're mostly just for efficiency boost, the big timesaves are in learning to script first and foremost.

As with any skill, the common wisdom is to "choose a project you want to make, then learn the skill by making it." So it's not a bad idea to learn scripting by, say, writing a script that detects files of a certain format in a directory tree and moving them elsewhere. E.g. check ~/Downloads and all of its subfolders for files ending in .jpg, then move them to ~/Pictures/JPGs (and make the directory if it's not already there). This should give you a good chance to practice file operations and string manipulation/parsing. After that, learn how to have cron run it once a week or something.

Should I use a particular terminal emulator or Firefox fork?

This just falls under my "probably best to stick with defaults and branch out later" advice, but:

I use terminator, purely because it has a logger plugin (which saves all input and output, including stderr, into a file if I'm doing something that needs that much documenting). I'd say learn to use tmux at some point as well, but that's just because I like moving my hand between keyboard and mouse as little as possible.

As for firefox, vanilla has always worked for me. It's not private enough for some people, so they will recommend something like LibreWolf or even Tor. On my laptop (which is completely keyboard driven so I can avoid using a touchpad) I use qutebrowser; it's not as full-featured (i wouldn't use it for video streaming), but it avoids using a mouse.

[-] governorkeagan@lemdro.id 7 points 5 months ago

Than you for such detailed response! I find it incredibly useful to pickup on extra nuggets of information even if the question was not directly applicable to me.

[-] Tywele@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 5 months ago
[-] PolarisFx@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 5 months ago

Nothing, there is nothing wrong with nano. There are what I will call vim purists who think using anything but vim is sacrilege. I've been using nano, and it's predecessor Pico forever and while I can use vim if I need to, I don't hate myself enough to do so.

[-] Tywele@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 5 months ago

I know but I just wanted to know what their take on it is.

[-] lurch@sh.itjust.works 3 points 5 months ago

it has a gazillion commands built in, e.g. esc,d,d to delete a line. they memorized a lot of them and think that's how you should edit text

[-] BaumGeist@lemmy.ml -3 points 5 months ago

I never said there was a right choice, and I do not like people putting words in my mouth only to attack a strawman.

That's something fascists do, and I refuse to converse further with someone who supports genocide.

[-] BaumGeist@lemmy.ml -4 points 5 months ago

I never said there was a right choice, and I do not like people putting words in my mouth only to attack a strawman.

That’s something fascists do, and I refuse to converse further with someone who supports genocide.

[-] PolarisFx@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 5 months ago

Yes yes, vim good, nano bad. And rather than have discourse on the matter I'll call you all fascists and claim you support genocide. Definitely an adult thing to do, good job you.

[-] BaumGeist@lemmy.ml 1 points 5 months ago

Nothing, it's just no more efficient than using a GUI text editor

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