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Tell Putin to go home.
wow, how original
Polling says so.
should really work on that reading comprehension
Polling says I probably should.
Well 840 people (taken online) are not really representative of my country position. Multiple real surveys made by professionals & neutral pollers gave us a totally different picture on these questions...
Wait till you learn how random samples work.
[citation needed]
Also, do enlighten us on what basis you claim that this survey wasn't made by professionals & neutral pollers.
Polling has rules to follow to became valid in France. Their are laws that make sure the poll is fair and manipulations can’t apply, in the way questions are asked (neutral tone, full range of answer possible, etc) and where and to who, the minimal amount to have, the medium to use to receive the vote, etc...
If you do that, you are what i call here a professional neutral poller.
In this case, it’s not the case. How i know? Well, it’s an internet poll! So no way to really check the reality of people behind (nationality, age, etc).
I put the officia text informing us than Internet poll can’t be used as real poll because you don’t have a representative sample of the population and result can be manipulated.
Les enquêtes sur internet
La commission a été saisie du problème des simulations de votes effectuées par certains journaux sur des panels d'internautes.
Ce type d'enquête n'est pas mené auprès d'échantillons représentatifs de la population. Ils ne constituent donc pas des sondages au sens de la loi du 19 juillet 1977.
Ces enquêtes doivent donc être accompagnées de précautions de présentation, appelant l'attention les lecteurs sur la prudence nécessaire à leur interprétation.
in other words France has its own private definition for what a professional neutral poller is.
Yes, with ethics, neutral institute not payed by gouvernement and with list of candidates based on population census (each year 1/5 of the population informations is updated. Mine was this year). And with these data, you can have a real balanced poll.
We have centuries of experience (the first census was in 1676... long before the creation of the USA or URSS)
So i would not call that private definition but historical definition...
feel free to provide recent polls you think are fair and balanced that contradict this poll
A sane and rational definition, yes.
Feel free to provide polls contradicting this poll using this sane and rational definition of yours then.
Tell Ukraine to stop overthrowing democratically elected governments, and to stop killing its own people in the east.
What democratically elected government did Ukraine overthrow?
Its own government, in 2014, with the help of the US.
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Oh. So got couped. Is couped a word? It read like Ukraine was going around creating Freedom^TM^ for other countries.
Either way haven't heard much about this allged coup of Ukraine so I shall read those and make up my mind on it.
The US has wanted to break up or otherwise weaken/isolate Russia ever since almost immediately after the break-up of the USSR. That’s why it’s been expanding NATO ever-closer to Russia despite originally having sworn up & down never to move one inch eastward. The US couldn’t allow a Ukrainian government to stand that was friendly with Russia.
The US doesn’t want Europe and Russia to develop closer ties, because it doesn’t want the “Eurasian landmass” to ever cohere, because then it would become too self-sufficient and powerful for the US to control. Zbigniew Brzezinski laid this theory out when the Soviet Union fell. That’s why the US tried to convince Europe not to build Nord Stream 2 and then later not to turn it on, why Biden said he would “bring an end to it” if Russia invaded, and why they ultimately did bring an end to it.
The US also very much wants regime change or balkanization in Russia so it can resume its neocolonial plundering of it, which started under Yeltsin and ended under Putin. That’s why the US has a special hate for Putin in particular.
The US has been meddling in Europe ever since WWII, and Ukraine has an even longer fascist history.
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While you're at it - also read up on Ukraine's "Orange Revolution". Since gaining its independence, the only way Ukraine has managed to install pro-western governments is by revolutions and coups.