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There were a lot of people that shared that name, and a lot of people were crucified at that time.
The article you provided (if you read it) should actually serve to cast more doubt on the idea; it does not “answer the question to the affirmative.”
That implies each source says: "A man called Jesus was crucified". The article you provided (if you read it) should have told you otherwise.
Flavius Josephus: Antiquities of the Jews, year 93-94: "About this time there lived Jesus, a wise man, if indeed one ought to call him a man. For he was one who performed surprising deeds and was a teacher of such people as accept the truth gladly. He won over many Jews and many of the Greeks. He was the Christ. And when, upon the accusation of the principal men among us, Pilate had condemned him to a cross, those who had first come to love him did not cease. He appeared to them spending a third day restored to life, for the prophets of God had foretold these things and a thousand other marvels about him. And the tribe of the Christians, so called after him, has still to this day not disappeared."
Tacitus's Annals, year 117: Christus, from whom the name had its origin, suffered the extreme penalty during the reign of Tiberius at the hands of one of our procurators, Pontius Pilatus
I didn’t provide any article. I read the one you linked.
In this most recent response, you are annotating sources from 93, and 117. Those years are notably (at minimum) 60 years after the supposed resurrection; and as such are not first hand accounts.
They very likely was someone named Jesus, because there were many people with that name. There was very likely someone named Jesus that was crucified, because many people were crucified. There’s 0 evidence or recorded documentation that a resurrection ever happened. That’s the big one.
The second one doesn't use that name. Read the sources.
Well of course, but that's common sense. Dead people stay dead as a rule.
I didn’t say the second one used “that name.” Read what I wrote.
The question in question was "Is there any real physical proof that Jesus christ ever existed?"
Jesus Christ is very specific. Jesus Christ, the son of God, who was crucified and rose again on the third day… that is fake.
Well that's an entirely different question. Entirely different field.
"the son of God, who was crucified and rose again on the third day" is for silly Christians.
The question under discussion here is about Roman-era history.
You suck ass at reading. The title of this post is asking about “Jesus Christ,” which we all know to mean the son of God and the guy that resurrected after 3 days.
lol no.... this thread is not talking about anything like that hahaha. Read it.
Obviously people don't come back from the dead or transform into cheddar cheese; we don't need historical research to tell us that.
His given name was יֵשׁוּעַ or Yeshua, which is Jesus in one speech-type, عيسى (ʿIsà) in another, as well as a lot of other variants.
'Christus' in Latin seems to refer to the same person; Tacitus wrote "called Christians by the populace. Christus, from whom the name had its origin, suffered the extreme penalty during the reign of Tiberius at the hands of one of our procurators, Pontius Pilatus"
I’m not debating with you the question that was asked as to start this thread. It’s visible to literally anyone that looks it.
If you wanted to answer a question that was not asked by the OP, that’s on you.
Agreed.
What do you think of what Ehrman says here at 1h45m25s that the mythicist theory isn't taken seriously by the academy because it's mostly pushed by people who seem eager to dunk on religion.