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‘I am not made for war’: the men fleeing Ukraine to evade conscription
(www.theguardian.com)
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War bad (Unironically)
Naturally war is bad, but you can't stand and defend your own people?
Many people cannot, correct. And that does not reflect poorly upon them simply because you can't understand it. That's why boot camp weeds out so many people who volunteered but still can't hack it. Many people don't even realize they don't have what it takes. And you think it's a bad thing for wiser people to recognize it in themselves?
I can't conceive of someone so fearful of war that they'd willingly leave others out to dry in this fashion while hiding behind the forces of another nation.
Perhaps you lack imagination.
Perhaps, or perhaps people like this just aren't the types of people I associate with
Well it seems like you think you know these people you claim you don't know. For instance, you keep accusing them of being fearful, and that being the only reason you can think of why people would not be willing to go to war.
Can you think of no other reason why people would be unsuited for the military and combat? Because I assure you, boot camp weeds out people who volunteer, and that the military finds unsuitable. Do you think cowardice is the only thing they look for?
Basic training was the easiest part of my military career. The recruits that went home did so because they got hypothermia or cracked the tops of their humerus, not because they couldn't hack it mentally. If they wanted to weed out those unfit, then the individual who this article is about would be disqualified or an RTT in basic. I was discharged at the end of my contract because of physical injuries, so I understand being considered unqualified for military service.
I cannot think of any reason I wouldn't defend my home, friends, and family against a foreign invader. If the US was being invaded and my family's lives were at risk, you can bet your ass I'd be doing everything I could to defend my country.
Really? Because when I went to boot camp we lost almost 5% of the division due to mental health issues and behavioral problems. Only a couple of people got removed for physical issues.
Do you not believe in mental health problems or something? Is cowardice literally the only thing you think you understand?
When you went to boot camp (assuming you were/are a sailor based on verbage), you lost 5% of your division to mental health issues. It seems to me that people considered unfit for duty wouldn't graduate basic training at all.
I think you're missing my point. It's not about being unfit to fight, it's about the willingness to defend your home. I can't get behind people that turn and run when the people that make up their country need them. I can't support people that aren't even willing to try given these circumstances.
Correct, Boot Camp is a filter to get rid of people who are unfit for the military, and the quote on the article at the top says "I was not made for war."
It sounded to me like you were smearing all those men who felt they were unfit for war as all cowards, and it still does. You and I both ought to know that not everybody is fit for war. If some of them are wise enough to realize that fact, that is not cowardice. Some people are not fit to fight and that doesn't reflect poorly upon them. That's simply how it has always been. Some are warriors. Some are not. If we dishonor those who are not, that reflects poorly on us, not them.
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