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Barcelona anti-tourism protesters fire water pistols at visitors
(edition.cnn.com)
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Inconvenience isn't what I called out.
Taking a space and making your voice heard is great. Surrounding and touching certain individuals is not. It lacks consent.
Edit as another critical point why this behavior isn't ok:
In this case, it just so happens they are "targeting" tourists. What if it was far right extremists "targeting" immigrants? Even if they did the exact same thing (squirt guns), that would obviously be inappropriate. My point in this second paragraph is that encouraging or normalizing mob like behavior is not ok, because someday it may be used for a more dangerous or hateful topic.
Nazis don't give a shit what people think is acceptable. That comes with the territory. I know you think you're being kind by saying protests need to be sterile and out of the way but all you're really doing is helping rich people keep them ineffective. How's that been going for the last 50 years?
Ignoring consent is not something I'll agree with. Edit it's literally always wrong.
Targeting individuals is always wrong, even with a toy.
The point is if you normalize mob behavior, when the "Nazis" come they'll be operating within the space you built. "What bro, I'm just protesting by surrounding this immigrant family and harassing them"
I never said sterile. I never said out of the way. I said don't trap, don't touch, don't harass individuals.
Respect individual consent. Protest systems, not individuals, because that is mob behavior.
Yes you never said sterile but that's still the kind of protest you're describing. To avoid any further semantic confusion let's try a different approach, why don't you describe what your ideal protest to deal with this tourism issue, or any other issue, looks like? Where does it take place and what kind of action occurs during it?
Any protest that does not threaten, harass, entrap, or otherwise victimize individuals. No vigilante justice, no "stick it to em", no risk to health or safety.
If you can't agree to that, there's no point in me describing a protest I agree with, because we arent getting off the starting line.
Edit consent is not "semantics" what the fuck
People can spin any action you choose to fit that definition and by extension deny your right to protest. That's the point. If you don't see that then you're right, there's no reason to continue this conversation.
Untrue. Peaceful, but meaningful protest is absolutely possible without endangering bystanders or denying personal autonomy and consent.
The alternative is just mob justice by your own personal flavor. Pray another group never identifies you as their target.
If that's true then it should be easy to identify what a productive protest that follows your guidelines would look like and provide a real world example of it. You declined to do that when asked.
Because I've made my position quite clear, and am smart enough to not give you a hypothetical to attach to yet revealed moving goalposts.
Your position is intentionally vague and you know it. That's why you're refusing to engage beyond generalities. Framing that refusal as evading a logical fallacy I haven't proposed is just your way of avoiding introspection.
No, I defined the parts of the situation I'm arguing from and stopped there. I never purported what the perfect protest was and am not endeavouring to do so