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[-] halm@leminal.space 26 points 4 months ago

Look, I'll watch Michelle Yeoh in almost anything, including this, but I can't get past the fact that they're using "genocidal tyrant" as shorthand for "lovable badass" to characterise Georgiou. It was a glaring problem in Disco, and it continues to be so here.

"But, but... She redeemed herself!" Nope, you don't get to pull that card for a character who "murdered her own people by the millions". There is just no coming back from that.

[-] ValueSubtracted@startrek.website 6 points 4 months ago

From the trailer, I don't get the impression that they're trying to come back from it - rather, they're leaning in to it.

[-] halm@leminal.space 5 points 4 months ago

Yes, exactly. So they're either playing the redemption angle (which I don't buy) or they're just going "Massacres! They're wholesome!" (which is plain terrible and I don't see Yeoh going for it).

[-] ValueSubtracted@startrek.website 5 points 4 months ago

I've said elsewhere in the thread that I think there's a difference between redemption and atonement - I had the impression from the season 3 two-parter that they'd be taking the latter route with Georgiou. I think that could be really interesting, should they go in that direction.

This teaser really didn't provide any information as to whether they will, though.

[-] halm@leminal.space 7 points 4 months ago

I missed that comment, but I still think it's a matter of semantics between atonement and redemption. In Disco the rest of the characters just shrugged it off with a "she was a mass murderer, but she was our mass murderer", and I find it rather disturbing that the franchise runners seem to do the same.

Like I said, Michelle Yeoh is a treasure, but the character of mirror Georgiou has been dialed up to maximum evil yet she's played for comic relief?

[-] ValueSubtracted@startrek.website 1 points 4 months ago

To me, "redemption" implies forgiveness, while "atonement" implies reparation or sacrifice, without actual forgiveness being in the equation. I think it's an interesting notion, if they can pull it off.

Georgiou has great potential to be a sort of nature/nurture story.

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