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It's evident that you're cherry-picking tangential details to argue against, so let me say this in unambiguous terms:
People here are not accusing Jews of doing anything. We aren't using "Israel" as a stand-in or dogwhisle for ethnically Jewish people or the Jewish religion.
People are accusing the government of Israel of being unwilling to refrain from committing war crimes.
Yes, I'm sure it's a complete coincidence that Israel alone among all the countries in the world, including Syria (where Assad slaughtered more than half a million Syrians), China (engaged in the genocide of the Uyghurs) and Azerbaijan (who literally ethnically cleansed Nagorno-Karabakh of Armenians just last year), is the only one accused of being bloodthirsty child-murderers who regard non-Jewish children as less than human.
Couldn't be that a key theme of antisemitism over 2,000 years retains a deep hold on people's imaginations and biases, influencing their views today even if they aren't fully cognisant of, could it?
Nah. It's just a coincidence that it's only the Jewish state accused of this.
I'm sorry you must have slept through the last decade?
Those accusations were absolutely there. They just weren't a conversation because everyone agreed. Why are you defending a genocidal regime?
If I believed that Israel was a genocidal "regime" (by which you mean democratic government) I wouldn't be defending it.
So you're willing to link to the blood libel Wikipedia page but you deny the existence of this genocide. I guess "Never Again" had an asterisk?
Let me give you the full sentence:
"Never again will the Jewish people put their safety and security in the hands of non-Jews."
Non-Jews were given a test with the Holocaust and we comprehensively failed.
From now on, the Jewish people will only ever trust themselves to protect them. Rightly so, in my view.
And yes, I do deny there's a genocide in Gaza. If they wanted to just eradicate them then this war would have been over many months ago.
Yeah you're going to need to source that. Never Again is a slogan referring to the Holocaust. At best some people say it means just for Jews, but I think we can all agree genocide is bad, right?
I think we can all agree that the Jews and only the Jews have the right to determine what that phrase, which they coined, meant to them.
By which you must mean only the super hardcore Zionists right? Because I'm pretty sure these guys disagree with your definition. Pretty sure Stefanie disagrees. Oh look, more disagreement.
Cherry picking hardliner writing to try and coopt a common phrase isn't very cool. Especially if you're using it to deny a genocide.
You can always find fringe groups. It's a bit pathetic to so openly signal that you know that's what you're doing. You've picked massively marginal, tiny and unimportant groups. It's really embarrassing for you man. I mean, really? Boston Review? C'mon man, grow up.
How many Jewish groups share your opinion that the Jews alone, among all the peoples of the world, have no right to national self-determination?
And I swear to fucking God if you add a Naturei Karta link, a group of less than 2,000 members globally, you will have problems.
I never said Jews don't have the right to Self Determination. Everyone has the right to Self Determination.
Including the Palestinians.
And you're going to argue that hardcore Zionists are the majority of Judaism? With zero proof? and call my sources embarrassing? What is this the school playground? Are you rubber?