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Josh Shapiro Is a Terrible Choice for VP
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A) It's not a given that Shapiro will deliver PA. B) Even if he does, he makes Michigan a loss. C) Bad VP picks lower enthusiasm. Hillary chose to ignore the progressive voters that were energized by Bernie's campaign and instead picked boring centrist Tim Kaine. It turned out to he a bad strategy, even if it did deliver Virginia.
Do you have any data to support that?
Well, over 100,000 Democrats voted, "Uncommitted," in the primaries because of the genocide in Gaza, which was already nearly the 150,000 that Biden carried the state by in 2020, and well more than the 10,000 that Clinton lost by in 2016. Most polls still have Harris behind Trump in Michigan, so picking an Israel apologist as VP is almost certainly going to make Michigan go red.
As for Tim Kaine, I can give you two main data ponts: 4.4 million voters who turned out for Obama stayed home for Clinton, and Clinton lost the 2016 presidential election. It's hard to quantify how much of that lack of enthusiasm was caused by her poor VP pick, but it's safe to say an obscure centrist senator certainly didn't generate any enthusiasm.
Anyway, I don't know if that data is up to your standards, but since you didn't supply any to back up your assertions, I'm not sure it matters.
They voted uncommitted because Biden is literally sending bombs and money. Not because he said he supports Israel. They also made it a huge point to say they'd vote for Biden in the general election. And they've largely gone inactive since March.
Also, you must not have looked at the polling recently. She's ahead in Michigan. The best Trump is doing is getting dead even without Kennedy in the poll.
If you're going to withhold your vote over one of the least powerful positions in our government then you either don't understand how the vice presidency works or you weren't going to vote for Harris anyways.
Only one poll has Harris with a large lead, most polls conducted at about the same time show Trump with a slight lead, and the Five Thirty-Eight average has them in a statistical tie. Seems much more likely that the one poll is an outlier rather than Harris suddenly gaining a 10 point lead in a matter of days. Also, while the leaders of the Uncommitted movement may support Biden in the general, that doesn't mean that they speak for the entire Muslim population of Michigan, and on the ground reporting indicates they definitely don't.
I'm not going to withhold my vote over a Shapiro pick, but I think there are a lot of people in Dearborn who might feel differently. Harris is a part of the Biden administration, so if she wants to win back Muslim Americans, she's going to need to show she differs from Biden on Gaza. Shapiro says the opposite.
Anyway, I'm getting a lot of conjecture and opinion here, but not a lot of data, so I think I'm gonna leave it at this.
The only polls with trump in the lead are SoCal and Redfield who always skew right. Like I said above, everything else runs equal to Harris lead.
Which is why the polling averages look like this.
And in your own article, about Biden, from April, they say they'd vote for Biden against Trump.
You're running away because you shot your mouth off and you're just now realizing the data doesn't actually support you.
Edit to add - imgur threw an NSFW warning on it... That's hilarious.
JFC, I guess I'm breaking the data down for you:
Public Opinion Strategies (7/23-7/29): Harris: 45% Trump 45%
Morning Consult (7/24-7/28): Harris: 53% Trump 42% (This is a HUGE outlier)
SoCal Research (7/25-7/26): Harris: 46% Trump: 49%
Redfield and Winton Strategies (7/22-7/24): Harris: 41% Trump: 44%
Glengariff Group (7/22-7/24): Harris: 42% Trump: 41% (Only other poll with Harris having a slight lead, and it's within the margin of error)
Emerson (7/22-7/24): Harris: 49% Trump: 51% (Though this one does have them tried if you add in third parties)
So, when you said, "You must not have looked at the polling recently. She's ahead in Michigan," (and by the way, dont think I didnt catch that goalpost move with, "equal to Harris lead") that wasn't really true; she's ahead in one of the 3 latest polls (by a margin so large it seems like a polling mistake), and she's only ahead in two of the six polls done in the last month. You are right though, the 538 Average does have her up by 2.2%, but again, that's probably mostly because one poll is giving her a ten point lead, which is a huge outlier from the rest of the data.
Anyway, is the data good enough for you yet, guy who demands data but only cites a signal polling average throughout his grand assertions about Shapiro, Harris, Pennsylvania, Georgia, and Michigan? Have I finally given you enough proof to meet your rigorous evidentiary standards? Standards which you yourself will not meet? Well, I actually don't care. Here's a bunch of quotes from the article you think proves, "they," will vote for Biden:
BOY, I SURE WAS WRONG ABOUT THIS ARTICLE, WASN'T I?
The article from months ago, about Biden? Yeah... Sure.
You really do have a habit of ignoring any point that's inconvenient to you. So I'll leave you to read my previous post again.
Wow, what a great point. Except the context I brought the article up in was, "This is the baggage Harris inherents as a member of the Biden administration, she needs to distance herself from Biden's position in Israel if she wants to win Michigan, this makes Shapiro a very bad choice." So, what Muslim Americans were saying about Biden 3 months ago is actually very relevant given that context, and it's not a great point.
But thanks for, "You really do have a habit of ignoring any point that's inconvenient to you." Watching you ignore your misinterpretation of Harris' Michigan polls, misunderstanding that entire article, and that you've still provided no evidence to support any of your assertions, that legit made me LOL. Anyway, as someone else in this thread said, once it had become clear you had no idea what you're talking about, "We're done here."
If you want to talk about that why not any of the articles published in the last week about it? Why an article from months ago colored by Biden being the candidate?
Because you claimed that the Uncommitted voters would still fall behind Biden in the general, and that article very clearly shows many Muslim Americans would not. But you're right, there have been a lot of articles written in the last week about how Harris is trying to win back the Muslim groups that Biden lost. Those articles are also great examples of why Shapiro, who once said Palestinians are, “too battle-minded," for peace, is a bad VP pick.
All of it does.
Oh yeah just hand waive. Because that's data.