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LoglineLa’An travels back in time to twenty-first-century Earth to prevent an attack which will alter humanity’s future history—and bring her face to face with her own contentious legacy.


Written by David Reed

Directed by Amanda Row

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I enjoyed that episode a lot, although it would have benefitted from its length being tightened up by ten minutes.

What do we think was the nature of the Romulan interference with Earth? And what time period is Sera, the Romulan agent from?

The DTI agent appears to use 29th century tech, which is several hundred years after the Romulan Empire’s supernovae-driven collapse but possibly around the time of the Romulan-Vulcan reunification of Ni’Var. Is she from that same time period?

Sera also shows Kirk a picture of what looks like a TOS-era Bird-of-Prey as part of her alien conspiracy photo deck. It has the round nacelles typical of the 23rd century, rather than those seen in ENT’s 22nd century designs, or some other design representing the 20th/21st century in which these attacks take place.

Is she a time agent from the 23rd century (with the appropriate Romulan ship in orbit)?

Is that her guessing who Kirk is, and planting the evidence he’s most likely to recognize? Or was that really a Romulan design from the 21st century?

Which leads to me wonder if the Romulans started interfering with Earth’s development only due to temporal war shenanigans, or had they been doing flybys for as long as the Vulcans?

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[-] writerlygal@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago

That was such a great episode. I watched it last night and woke up thinking about it. Really great. I love the addition of Pella in the crew, and that La-An went to her for help later in the episode.

Do have to admit that I was a tad disappointed that Pella didn't come to her at the end remarking something about the clothes looking familiar.

And this James T. Kirk is growing on me! I first wasn't convinced, but he really was so good in this episode. The call at the end was so bittersweet.

[-] knotthatone@lemmy.one 1 points 1 year ago

I would like to see a Short Trek of what went down during that 16hr+ road trip with Kirk & La'An

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[-] jalanhenning@startrek.website 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

A little remarked side effect of time travel is that it causes infatuation (Kirk, in "City on the Edge of Forever") and horniness (Spock, in "All Our Yesterdays"). La’An experienced both!

Edit: I forgot about Bashir and Jadzia in "Trials and Tribble-ations" but honestly they just seemed to be acting in character!

[-] CmdrShepard@lemmy.one 1 points 1 year ago

What about Sisko, Bashir, and Jadzia (then later O'Brien and Kira) in "Past Tense"? I didn't see any horniness except for maybe from O'Brien

[-] NuPNuA@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago

Sisko did his horny stuff in the mirror universe.

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[-] Hypersapien@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

At the very least the Time Agents could send La-An a therapist or something.

[-] Lando@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

This was a classic Star Trek episode.

[-] plasmoidal@startrek.website 1 points 1 year ago

Just here to note two details I appreciated:

  1. La'an still doesn't know what a Romulan looks like after her adventure. The only one she met was surgically altered to look human, although Sera did drop a hint by complaining about the ears. Still, there's plenty of aliens with non-human ears, so not really much to go on.
  2. If she was paying attention, though, La'an did get another clue about Romulan physiology: When she shot Sera, the blood spray was green! Of course, Sera remembered her grandma's old recipe for molecular solvent, so La'an may have thought that was the reason for the coloration.
[-] Borgzilla@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 year ago

So far, it's my favourite episode of the season.

[-] CaptainProton@lemmy.fmhy.ml 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I really like Paul Wesley's portrayal and the way Kirk is written. Honestly I can imagine this as a TOS episode with Shatner and co. Some more thoughts:

While I was not sure about the chemistry between the two main characters, I bought into their romance and I especially liked the final scene with La'an: it was an earned moment and the actress was very effective in her delivery. I wish the two had spent some more time talking about what reality they should preserve but I guess saving your brother's life is a good enough reason to risk everything. I would've done the same, tbh. Time shenanigans needn't be explained, honestly I can believe that the Augment Wars were so destructive that we don't know many things about the period; could've been in the 90s, could've been in the 21st century, there are real life examples of such gaps in the historical record, after all (and don't tell me Sarah Silverman was around for the rise of Khan). Still, a welcome reference.

I love Pelia, the accent, the delivery, the character backstory, it's all really good and she is a very nice addition to the cast. I laughed when she didn't know anything about engineering but it makes perfect sense. Imagine going back in time and asking a 10 year old Einstein to explain relativity to you!

With the positive out of the way, I have to say that I liked the first half of the episode more than the second for the following reasons:

I think they broke into that facility pretty easily. Why did the door open in response to La'an's DNA? Isn't Khan just a little kid? Can he enter and leave as he pleases? I thought he was like an experiment they are trying to keep under wraps.

I did not like the antagonist lady and I especially don't like the suggestion that Romulans have been secretly trying to keep humanity from reaching greatness. I always thought that one of the most important messages in the franchise was that humans were able to rise above their flaws and create a utopia but now it's the Romulans who were keeping us down and we managed to reach the stars even against these odds. How inherently great humanity is... Not a good message, imo, but perhaps the antagonist lady was simply exaggerating.

Overall a good episode. Kinda lost me in the second half but the final scene was a strong conclusion. Honestly, I can see myself re-watching this in the future.

[-] Manabi@startrek.website 1 points 1 year ago

I think it was less humanity's greatness that allowed them to reach the stars in the alternate timeline and more of having no choice but to do so. Earth was a wasteland and they needed more resources beyond what was available in the rest of our solar system. La'an told Kirk at one point that he could be an explorer in her timeline, heavily implying humanity doesn't do that in his.

[-] FormerGameDev@midwest.social 1 points 1 year ago

I think they broke into that facility pretty easily. Why did the door open in response to La’an’s DNA? Isn’t Khan just a little kid? Can he enter and leave as he pleases? I thought he was like an experiment they are trying to keep under wraps.

Seems Khan and all the other kids are probably derived from older Noonien-Singh DNA, considering the name of the facility.

[-] MagikarpeDiem@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I guess I'm one of the few voices of dissent again... I enjoyed last week's episode, but this episode is disappointing again. The romance between La'an was very unnecessary and unnatural. They had no chemistry and it felt incredibly awkward. I still can't stand their choice for Kirk. Feels like I'm watching Darrin from Bewitched (or some other "ordinary working man" type character) doing cosplay and not a star ship captain, and certainly not a captain like Kirk. Not only does he not have "the look," but I hated the way he delivered all his lines.

The only breath of fresh air for me is that a disaster takes place someplace other than New York, LA, or the US in general. However, they definitely didn't hire enough extras for Toronto. Everywhere looked too under populated and not enough racial diversity (ie: where were all the Asians? Toronto is filled with East, South, Subcontinental Asians). I've never seen the streets of Toronto so sparse.

[-] BowtiesAreCool@reddthat.com 1 points 1 year ago

For me there was a couple wild suspensions of disbelief that just didn’t work. Earning enough cash from an afternoon of playing randoms at chess in the park to afford a full on suite at a decent hotel downtown Toronto. And the police just letting them go, no license, no identification of any kind…

I did really enjoy Toronto in general and thought the main plot was strong enough, but agree the romance was unnecessary and also think the dialogue needs some work.

[-] CeruleanRuin@lemmy.one 1 points 1 year ago

As a security officer, La'an is highly trained in social engineering, and Kirk is cunning on his own, as we see in how he zeroes in on the best car around and steals it with minimal physical harm to the owner. I'd say there's a good chance they didn't pay for the hotel room at all, but conned their way in on someone else's credentials. Same deal for crossing the border twice.

[-] NuPNuA@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago

I'd argue that was more believable than "wave a tricorder at a cash point" like we've seen in the past. Also, how far did the money from one pair of second hand glasses go in Voyage Home and we didn't doubt that.

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[-] ranphi@lemmy.fmhy.ml 1 points 1 year ago

I'm with you on this. La'an is my fave character in this show so I was really looking forward to this episode. But after watching it, I felt it just wasn't very good. I think, for me, it was mostly the writing, followed by the pacing, and the fact that while Kirk is my all-time fave Trek Captain... I just do not like the Kirk in this show. I just don't find the actor they chose to be a suitable fit at all, unfortunately.

Still, the episode did have a few good moments, and it's only 1 of only 2 episodes, so far, that I haven't enjoyed with this series. So that's still a good batting average.

Hopefully I'll like the next episode more!

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My initial reaction is that that story was told very well and Christina Chong was phenomenal at acting it out too. But I think I need more time to actually digest the ramifications of what just happened to her too... yikes.

[-] IonAddis@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I ended up liking this a lot. For one, I'm glad Pelia really is a part of the cast now because I LOVED her introduction and was fearful she'd be a one-and-done character.

But secondly, in the past all I could see with La'an was (as someone else said) "a budget Camina Drummer". And I love Drummer, but seeing almost!Drummer every time La'an was on screen was so fricking weird.

I think this episode gave La'an some of the development she needed so I wasn't seeing almost!Drummer all the time.

(And for those who don't know Drummer is...go watch The Expanse. It's as if the new (is it still considered new?) Battlestar Galactica and Star Trek had a baby. One part grittier sci-fi universe, one part wonderful character/crew exploration.)

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[-] chronicledmonocle@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

Man poor La'an. That ending broke my heart.

[-] MooseGas@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago

I am so late to this. I was up at the cottage for the long weekend and missed the episode until today.

Khan could be my neighbour.

[-] Madison_rogue@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago

When the cab pulled up to Pelia's cabin I initially wondered how they got across the border, and then La'an mentions they bribed a border guard. Pretty good save there. You know it would've ended up in someone's plot hole YouTube video, or a clickbait ScreenRant article if they didn't cover that.

This was another solid episode; even though the ending was gut wrenching. Who would have thought that a writer would shoehorn a ship between Kirk and the descendent of his greatest nemesis. I really love this series.

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[-] Klanky@sopuli.xyz 1 points 1 year ago

This is the best episode of modern Trek since Magic to Make…

It hit all the right notes and felt so Star Trek. Don’t get me wrong, I love serialized seasons, but Star Trek is at it’s best when it doesn’t take itself too seriously, while also simultaneously dealing with serious plot points.

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