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The President Can Now Assassinate You, Officially (www.thenation.com)

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[-] takeda@lemmy.world 156 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Sadly no. The way they turned it around was very clever.

So they said that only official presidential business is immune, but were ambiguous what that actually means, so inevitably they made it so it would go through them to determine what is the official business.

Second thing is that they picked up from their ass that Constitution also says that no official business can be used in any trial, even if it is unrelated. This not only jeopardizes all the indictments he had, it possibly will negate the New York trial.

trump already submitted request to have it referred based on this SCOTUS ruling.

This election might be the last free election we have. And even if trump loses it will still not be over.

Please vote and make your friends and family vote. And not just for president but also for the Congress.

Edit: I also recommend everyone a book "On Tyranny: Twenty Lessons From the Twentieth Century" (there's also reading on YouTube) all the warning signs are present. The more people are aware what it is at stake the higher chance that this can be stopped.

[-] everett@lemmy.ml 51 points 4 months ago

I also recommend everyone a book "On Tyranny: Twenty Lessons From the Twentieth Century"

In case it makes a difference to someone, it's a pretty short book.

[-] jettrscga@lemmy.world 37 points 4 months ago

How does one prove whether or not something is official business if official business can't be used in any trial?

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[-] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 125 points 4 months ago

Under this new standard, a president can go on a four-to-eight-year crime spree and then retire from public life, never to be held accountable.

Uhhh, that already happened.

[-] newthrowaway20@lemmy.world 70 points 4 months ago

Yeah, but now the Supreme Court said that's perfectly ok and totally legal.

[-] gAlienLifeform@lemmy.world 33 points 4 months ago

Well, we've already had a president assassinate US citizens, so let's rev up those predators and go looking for whatever billionaire's yacht Coney Barret, Kavanuahh, and Roberts are chilling on

[-] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 18 points 4 months ago

If you want to get a bit more cynical, you could very easily describe the deaths of Fred Hampton and the Freedom Summer murders as presidential assassinations. If you want to take the extra step down the rabbit hole, there's very real reason to suspect MLK was assassinated by the FBI.

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[-] WhatAmLemmy@lemmy.world 20 points 4 months ago

Most presidents have done this. Whether it be bombing countries they're not at war with, trafficking drugs to enrich the war machine by arming enemies of the state, or invading foreign countries and committing war crimes based on their own manufactured lies.

[-] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 29 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

bombing countries they’re not at war with

Fun fact. We haven't officially declared war since 1941.

Korea, Vietnam, Kosovo, Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria, Yemen, Somalia, Libya, and now Ukraine? All NATO led military interventions or AUMF policing actions. No articles of war required.

trafficking drugs to enrich the war machine

One of the craziest "America just be like that" stories I've ever heard was the time Bush Sr set up a drug buy right outside the White House, by having the DEA extort a teenager picked up for selling crack on the opposite side of town to show up on Pennsylvania Avenue the night of a State of the Union Address and do a straw sale to another agent, just so he could talk about it on national TV an hour later like it happened organically.

Bush dangling a bag of crack on national TV and saying in his Father-Knows-Best voice that we need to go full-on Phoenix Program across every major American city, because of his little kabuki crack sale, is one of those "burned into my conscience" factoids that really changed how I saw our country operating.

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[-] Hobbes_Dent@lemmy.world 75 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Would this same ruling have happened if Trump wasn’t involved? No, I don’t think so.

Stop the ~~steal~~ overthrow.

[-] SuckMyWang@lemmy.world 21 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

So now Biden can do what trump did and not certify the next president using fake electors.

And if he can’t break the law, can’t he illegally introduce a new law that makes all this presidential law breaking illegal?

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[-] billbasher@lemmy.world 72 points 4 months ago

I heard a good argument that while these justices are appointed for life to be judges, it doesn’t specify which branch. Reappointment them to a lower court and appoint new justices. They voted for this let them reap the consequences. Outline enforceable ethics standards.

[-] PorradaVFR@lemmy.world 35 points 4 months ago

The rules of the Senate, as undermined by McConnell and inexplicably tolerated by Schumer ensure it won't happen.

That co-equal branches thing was nice while we had it.

[-] Pringles@lemm.ee 17 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Just dismiss the senators as official business. What still stands in the way of a total power grab by a US president?

As long as it's official business and they keep it official by officially removing all obstacles, they are legally perfectly in the clear. IANAL obviously, but total power seems just a matter of being audacious enough to grab it.

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[-] samus12345@lemmy.world 41 points 4 months ago

The President Can Now Legally Assassinate You, Officially if it Supports the SCOTUS Majority's Agenda

Anything Biden did would be determined to be "not official" by them because he's a Democrat.

[-] chaonaut@lemmy.world 17 points 4 months ago

Sounds like a reason for Biden to set a whole bunch of legal precedent while he's still president.

[-] TaterTurnipTulip@lemmy.world 15 points 4 months ago

As I mentioned on another comment, there is no mechanism for the court to enforce that. The DOJ is under the President. Who will arrest the President? The SC may think this empowers them more, but it really does not.

[-] samus12345@lemmy.world 13 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

The conservative court acts in tandem with the GOP. Any government organization run by them will provide the support.

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[-] cosmicrookie@lemmy.world 39 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Its more like, the president can assassinate you if it is in the interest of the USA and not for the personal interest of the president.

So if ellected, Trump can assassinate all political competition, Putin-style, legally, but not Stormy Daniels

[-] tinyVoltron@lemmy.world 44 points 4 months ago

Who's to say that maintaining the dignity of the office of President is not in the interest of the US? She is impugning his reputation therefore making him look weak which could embolden our enemies. She must disappear for the good of all Americans. It's not hard to justify just about anything as an official act in the interest of the US.

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[-] SkybreakerEngineer@lemmy.world 30 points 4 months ago

Not according to the way they define "official act". If it involves presidential power, it's an official act.

[-] cosmicrookie@lemmy.world 19 points 4 months ago

Then it is a joke of a decision

[-] TransplantedSconie@lemm.ee 29 points 4 months ago

It is indeed. From a joke of a court.

[-] BrianTheeBiscuiteer@lemmy.world 20 points 4 months ago

Not really. Exercise of a Presidential power, no matter the reason, is immune from prosecution. If it's legal to drop a bomb on ISIS it's legal to drop a bomb on a pornstar.

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[-] Agent641@lemmy.world 12 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

So Stormy Daniels will have to avenge democracy, Rambo style

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[-] cmoney@lemmy.world 35 points 4 months ago

It's settled law so not to worry, they can just change their minds later when it doesn't benefit their conservative bosses.

[-] Jyek@sh.itjust.works 31 points 4 months ago

The president can also now legally dissolve the Supreme Court and instate a new supreme Court who can then make the decision if it was an official act or not.

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[-] Resol@lemmy.world 24 points 4 months ago

Welcome back to another episode of "Where's Humanity Going to Shit Next?", where we tackle the depressing consequences of the actions of the human race to our beloved planet Earth. This episode we visit the US once again, where the president decides he now has the power to kill you himself if he feels like it.

Join us next time to see where humanity is really gonna shit next.

[-] Fades@lemmy.world 21 points 4 months ago

This election will be the final free and fair one. God help us all

[-] Naz@sh.itjust.works 27 points 4 months ago

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[-] SatansMaggotyCumFart@lemmy.world 17 points 4 months ago

I’d probably be so honored I wouldn’t press charges anyways.

[-] hypnoton@discuss.online 16 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

The pres can now assassinate a billionaire and take all their wealth for themselves as an official act, and be immune.

[-] rayyy@lemmy.world 14 points 4 months ago

Anything can be defined to suit their needs.

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