mod accountability rule [action taken] (lemmy.cafe)

submitted 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) by spujb@lemmy.cafe to c/196@lemmy.blahaj.zone

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Important context: This was an instance of a crowd crush caused by poor crowd control.

edit: action has now been taken against the offending comment :)

(also some of you guys in the comments here have been yoinked by mods too… just be nice? this post was not an invitation to test out your boundaries)

by opening this spoiler you acknowledge that brigading and harrassment are against the rules

link to post in question: https://lemmy.world/comment/10965360

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[-] cybermass@lemmy.ca 91 points 4 months ago

Is expressing atheist beliefs inherently anti-religious?

Seems like a bad cope to me

[-] spujb@lemmy.cafe 92 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

No, but “I may die in a stupid way (but not as stupid as these religious people who were trampled to death because of a dust storm)” is anti-religious.

[-] cybermass@lemmy.ca 31 points 4 months ago

I understand your point

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[-] yetAnotherUser@lemmy.ca 62 points 4 months ago

Ah yes, please do complain about it in a community that has nothing to do with it!

[-] spujb@lemmy.cafe 23 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

😊

for those interested i am working on it :) trying to figure something out because i also recognize this is suboptimal

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[-] Zagorath@aussie.zone 55 points 4 months ago

Damn, this post left out some really crucial context. I assumed the comment was left in response to someone martyring themselves, probably after having killed others in the name of their sky fairy. And in that context I'd have backed them 100% in what they were saying about it.

But yeah, your reply there said it better than anyone could. The comment was completely out of place and inappropriate.

[-] spujb@lemmy.cafe 14 points 4 months ago

Ooh! What context can I add? Obviously I want to make this post as effective as possible and don’t want to mislead folks but I recognize I have proximity bias.

Thanks :)

[-] wander1236@sh.itjust.works 26 points 4 months ago

I think they're talking about the context of it being a crowd crush.

[-] Zagorath@aussie.zone 12 points 4 months ago

Yeah 100% it's that.

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[-] Themadbeagle@lemm.ee 49 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Something that always gets me is when people lump in anti-religion with these others. Reglion in any country with freedom of religion is a choice, these other things are not. Someone doesn't choose to be a particular ethnic group. Someone doesn't choose to be disabled. People don't choose to be gay or have gender dysphoria People do choose to believe in things that I think are ridiculous and saying that I cannot call that out is just religious people saying you can't call them out. If you can tell me I am burning in hell because I don't believe in your pie man in the sky then I can tell you that you are stupid for believing in a pie man in the sky and comment on absurd actions that are caused by those beliefs.

[-] spujb@lemmy.cafe 16 points 4 months ago

telling someone they are going to burn in hell for their religion/atheism would also be anti-religious and should be treated as such :)

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[-] minibyte@sh.itjust.works 45 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

No such rules in this one – your god is a lie sold to castrate and incapacitate you.

[-] wander1236@sh.itjust.works 44 points 4 months ago

Does that mean you deserve to die in a crowd crush, something not at all unique to religious gatherings?

[-] spujb@lemmy.cafe 44 points 4 months ago

r/atheism and its consequences have been disastrous to the traditional practice of being a decent human being online

[-] imPastaSyndrome@lemm.ee 26 points 4 months ago

Riiiiiiiight it's atheists that are the problem. Not just shitty people who happen to be atheist...

[-] Feathercrown@lemmy.world 24 points 4 months ago

Being an atheist and being a member of r/atheism are not the same thing

[-] imPastaSyndrome@lemm.ee 14 points 4 months ago

Claiming that /r/atheism has any significant impact on the internet culture as a whole is just the silliest thing to claim without evidence or explanation of any sort. It doesn't even say what he's claiming they did to the internet's culture just an implication that it was bad.

Pretty empty table pounding statement

[-] alyth@lemmy.world 10 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

This statement hardly merits the same level of proof as a scientific publication. The original post is an example of the obnoxious behavior you find on r/atheism.
They feel superior to and smarter than religious people. In this extreme case, the poster expresses feeling superior to people who died in a stampede that took place at a religious event.
Internet atheists who think they are superior to believers / Believers who think they are superior to atheists are two sides of the same coin.

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[-] spujb@lemmy.cafe 9 points 4 months ago

With emphasis, no, it’s shitty people who happen to be atheist who are the problem. :) Just to clarify, because I would never make that first statement.

“the silliest thing to claim without evidence or explanation of any sort”

You are right, I left a lot implied because my sentiment is a fairly common one. But fair to point out—my apologies. Here is a citation showing that I am far from the first person to hold this opinion on r/atheism.

Note again that I don’t hold any prejudice against any belief system; I only hold that r/atheism in particular historically fostered a culture of toxicity which makes anti-religious prejudice and personal attacks more common compared to offline spaces.

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[-] Crashumbc@lemmy.world 18 points 4 months ago

While not impossible elsewhere. Extremely large crush killings like this happen with alarming regularity at religious events.

[-] Tar_alcaran@sh.itjust.works 14 points 4 months ago

Concerts and sporting events have rules and regulations to prevent this nowadays. Guess who cries "persecution" when you try the same for them.

Also, a lot of these events are in the poorer countries, where these regulations don't exist.

And also because, apparently, god doesn't want to rescue these people.

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[-] moosetwin@lemmy.dbzer0.com 17 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

No such rules in this one

Though neither specifically mention religion, here are the rules for c/196 and lemmy.blahaj.zone that may cover this case:

196 rules:

lemmy.blahaj.zone's guidelines:

lemmy.blahaj.zone's TOS:

In addition, lemmy.blahaj.zone's TOS states that they must follow the laws of Australia, which may have legislation regarding this issue:

Edit: replaced references from lemmy.world's TOS, I got the instance wrong, my bad! - Also replaced non-image links with archive.org links for posterity (image links have been archived, but they have not been replaced for embedding reasons)

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No such rules in this one

Though neither specifically mention religion, here are the rules for c/196 and lemmy.world that may cover this case:

196 rules:

lemmy.world TOS:

In addition, lemmy.world's TOS states that they must follow the laws of the below three countries, which may have laws regarding this issue:

[-] minibyte@sh.itjust.works 13 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

I read that and don’t see how it’s relevant in this case. I’m simply telling the truth. Invest your tithe into a retirement account and call it a day.

[-] Feathercrown@lemmy.world 10 points 4 months ago

You cannot be telling the truth because not all gods have the same rules. Also no common gods demand castration or incapacitation.

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[-] rxin@lemmy.blahaj.zone 8 points 4 months ago

neither of you or c/196 are from lemmy.world

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[-] MindTraveller@lemmy.ca 29 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Flying Squid told me I had psychosis because I disagreed with their views on religion. They're an asshole.

[-] bartolomeo@suppo.fi 8 points 4 months ago

That's a stupid thing to say. I recently had an exchange with him and found out he's kind of off his rocker, so I wouldn't sweat it too much if I were you.

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[-] HootinNHollerin@lemmy.world 21 points 4 months ago

Ok wow crybaby lol

[-] spujb@lemmy.cafe 38 points 4 months ago

what if you logged on to the internet and were kind

[-] HootinNHollerin@lemmy.world 28 points 4 months ago

What if you didn’t complain in a totally unrelated community?

[-] riwo@lemmy.blahaj.zone 23 points 4 months ago

imagine posting completely unrelated stuff on 196... who would do that??

[-] spujb@lemmy.cafe 18 points 4 months ago

it’s always a storm to see .world accounts log on and tell me off for being off topic… in 196 of all places😄

[-] spujb@lemmy.cafe 15 points 4 months ago

i know this isn’t a genuine question and you mean this just to clap back and be unkind,

but for those interested i am working on it :) trying to figure something out because i also recognize this is suboptimal

[-] ted@sh.itjust.works 21 points 4 months ago

Asserting that god exists/doesn't exist isn't anti-atheist/anti-religious, hate against (a)theists is.

[-] Lemongrab@lemmy.one 28 points 4 months ago

But it is when you call others stupid for having the belief in a god.

[-] ted@sh.itjust.works 14 points 4 months ago

I'm not saying he isn't a dick in this thread, but a theist may just as easily concern troll and say, "I just want nonbelievers not to go to hell" and that feels equivalent to me.

No one is being swayed by either of these arguments either way.

The user in question is borderline block material anyway based on the rest of their engagement, and they get uuuuuultra defensive when called out.

[-] spujb@lemmy.cafe 12 points 4 months ago

…and that feels equivalent to me.

wholeheartedly agree, and i would call it out just as i did here. :) either way, such a statement is quite offensive and irresponsible behavior to come from a leader of the “world news” community.

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[-] Tregetour@lemdro.id 19 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

If the mod team on this instance is going to be that prescriptive around how religion is mentioned, then they're better off just blanket-banning any mention of it altogether, like on Whirlpool.

If you're a , and in the natural course of discussion people start criticizing ideas that inform 's beliefs and ethics, that's not a personal attack. It's not 'bigotry' on the basis that you disagree. It's not 'trolling' purely because it made you upset.

I'm going to separately post the famous Charlie Hebdo cover in this thread, the one published after Muslim extremists murdered their people over cartoons. If this instance is so straitjacketed by Australia's ridiculous lawmaking in this area that it cannot tolerate such a post, then it's not a forum for adults.

[-] Taleya@aussie.zone 14 points 4 months ago

how the fuck is this an appropriate comment to make in response to someone getting yanked over explicitly saying a specific religion was "made up".

This is not a situation dealing with a critique of "Ideas that inform" this was straight up the statement "Your faith is made up bullshit and people died stupidly because of this made up bullshit"

[-] fuckingkangaroos@lemm.ee 20 points 4 months ago

Religions are made up. Most of us would be better off without that bullshit influencing our lives.

[-] Tregetour@lemdro.id 11 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

'Anti-religious comment' accurately describes my scenario. Anyone who dislikes the hypothetical critique can simply hit the report button and it will get wiped if Rule 4 is read at face value.

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[-] shani66@ani.social 17 points 4 months ago

Kind of off topic, but man it bothers me to see what r/atheism has done to religious discussions. Christianity isn't religion, it is a singular religion amongst a sea of far less stupid and destructive religions. It's always so obvious when someone is just talking about their Christian trauma instead of, say, sikhism or something.

[-] riodoro1@lemmy.world 28 points 4 months ago

every religion has a potential to become what christianity and islam is now. If you tell people to willfully ignore facts and prefer in their place something they wish to be true, and at the same time tell them what to wish for, you have a cult of very gullible people. Religion is not a framework of ethics as religious people like to say, but instead it’s a framework of stupidity.

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[-] Silentiea@lemmy.blahaj.zone 10 points 4 months ago

It's even worse than that, because Christianity isn't even a singular religion, it's a set of related religions, some of which are incredibly problematic and others the worst they have going for them is they "are technically a religion"

[-] Tregetour@lemdro.id 13 points 4 months ago

[-] HogsTooth@lemmy.world 11 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Want to see a lack of accountability? Check out necromancer / wintermute_oregon over at !conservative@lemm.ee.

Running an echo chamber over there.

[-] Lemongrab@lemmy.one 13 points 4 months ago

Echo chamber in like a theoretical sense? It looks dead silent, even dead, to me. I should mention I think its a good thing. Maybe my instance defederated at some point and I'm "missing out" on all the fun hate speech? /s

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