Who ever thought punk was not progressive? At minimum it was blatantly anti-authoritarian and counter to the conservative culture in Thatcher's UK and Reagan's US. Why would anyone be shocked to find out that it was also pro-choice, feminist, and anti-discriminatory?
Because the Nazi skinheads did a great job of co-opting the punk title for most people who weren't actually interested in punk. The news media were very complicit in pushing that specific image to undermine the punk movement to the general public.
That's new to me. Where I live, punks and skinheads are natural enemies
Like skinheads and goths, or skinheads and greasers, or skinheads and other skinheads
Labor skinheads and neonazi skinheads.
I was so sad when I discovered the Hammerskins were a thing (a White Power band inspired by Pink Floyd's Waiting For The Worms, but without the irony, with a corresponding militant movement). The Hammerskins took their logo:
From the Hammers banner from the movie version of Pink Floyd's The Wall
Which means when I reference the Hammers in parody of white power movements, I risk being associated with an actual white power movement.
If they had balls, they'd call themselves The Worms.
<looking up to make sure The Worms isn't a social movement yet>
That's true everywhere. The issue isn't what they are, the issue is how they were deliberately misrepresented. A whole lot of films and shows made it a point to conflate punks with white supremacists.
The Nazi skinheads co-opted skinhead. After the Geraldo Rivera episode everyone I knew let their hair grow out because they didn't want to be associated with that shit. Before that there were only a few isolated scenes where you'd see Nazi skinheads. Cutting off your hair was popular in the hardcore punk scenes because it was contrary to the long feathered hair popular in the 70's and 80's plus it was a lot easier than trying to get a Mohawk to stand up straight. That took a whole can of hairspray and we were all broke.
Because the Nazi skinheads did a great job of co-opting the punk title
Nah. They tried REAL hard to infiltrate and take over, but real punks always managed to repel them.
for most people who weren't actually interested in punk
And/or were just old fogies.
The news media were very complicit in pushing that specific image to undermine the punk movement to the general public.
Corporate news and undermining left wing people by conflating them with far right hate clubs. Name a more iconic duo.
Some people just like the music and are either bad at media analysis or don't care enough to look into to further than the surface level.
Like Paul Ryan loving Rage Against The Machine.
Because the right have been carefully spending decades rewriting history and dumbfucks keep falling for it. Punk, doctor who and ratm were never conservative but pundits will tell you at great length how shocked and appalled they are when these things keep being left af
I mean a pretty popular punk song is NOFX Ronnie and Mags. It just talks incredible shit about Regan and thatcher. Listen to NOFX Jesusland and that should indicate what it’s all about. Damn I love punk.
Some people are weird.
The Right hated Rock and Roll back in the 1950s because you had white kids listening to dangerous 'race music.'
Same with rap in the 90-00s and even still to this day to some extent.
And I’m pretty damned sure some moderate liberals were wrapped up in it as well. It is America after all, where everyone’s a judgmental bigot.
The stickers on albums about parental guidance is absolutely moderate liberals being jackasses
I love seeing stuff like this, but I absolutely HATE that we are all still fighting for these rights and such basic shit is not long since codified into law. What the fuck.
As long as conservatives continue to breathe the air of the living, there will be oppression.
It's crazy how like delusioned people are Like punk is all about punching Nazis and Star wars has always been political The empire is basically a Nazi analog
Like come on man
Basically what happened is some people started to pretend good art has absolutely no politics in it, except they decided what constitutes as politics, usually giving free pass to the "offensive humor" types like South Park and iDubbz.
Don't know about the Nazi analogy, but in the original Book (The adventures of Luke Skywalker) on which the original movies are based, the emperor is literally described as being Nixon.
the emperor is literally described as being Nixon.
Now strike me down in your hate and anger. Aroooo!
Star Trek has gone woke is the one that gets me. Let That Be Your Last Battlefield was not subtle and by the time of Far Beyond the Stars they weren't bothering with analogs.
TNG had an episode centered on discrimination of non-typical gender identity and conversion therapy over 30 years ago.
The Empire is America, the rebels were the Vietcong. Lucas has said this specifically in multiple interviews. The Nazis helped with the uniforms, but The Empire is directly based on Wilsonian Doctrine.
Another picture:
And a better shot of the yellow pin, since it's at a weird angle:
Link to the music video in which the jacket appears (albeit without the pins).
She rocked the pink and black equally well.
Thanks for the yellow pin picture. Surprisingly few direct matches for that phrase. Harvard has record of a shirt of the same design:
That music video rocks!
God DAMN does Noel Fielding pull off the Joan Jett look.
My favourite is when conservatives complain that Rage Against The Machine has gotten too political.
If you want a good laugh, ask a boomer what woke means, they have no idea
"Is the woke in the room with us right now?"
"Point on this dolly where the woke hurt you."
"Point on the gender neutral dolly where the woke hurt you"
Brought to you by the people that think Star Trek is too woke these days.
WOKENESS? In MY Utopian Space-Communist future!?
Special thanks to Discovery for putting the Gay front and center in the Fully-Automated Luxury Gay Space Communism of Star Trek.
Wasn't punk always woke?
conservatives and reactionaries either want to keep the status quo or regress, but they know the concept is super uncool so they have to do all these mental gymnastics to pretend progressives are the ones in charge (just by the virtue of slow progress through the decades) so by being regressive they're actually part of an anti-establishment subculture. it's wild, but you can't be conservative without seeing the world upside down so it tracks in a sense.
that's why some of them like bands like rage against the machine, not realizing they are the machine the band is talking about.
I kinda felt bad when Paul Ryan said his favorite was Rage and they dissed him of course. Would stink to have your favorite band literally hate you.
Was also like bruh how are you processing these lyrics???
you felt bad cause you have this thing called empathy, which Paul Ryan demonstrably lacks. fuck him and everyone around him.
They are so woke, their wokeness needs to be in a fucking museum!
It's almost as if they don't give a damn about their bad reputation.
Also, there is a need for this Video in this thread.
Reminds me of a video of conservative rage fans learning that rage is progressive.
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