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Now they know what it's like to go to school in this country.
I hate that this is the new narrative, like violence against political opponents is a new thing in this country. Obama survived MULTIPLE assassination attempts. Bill Clinton and George Bush both survived multiple assassination attempts. Sectarian violence has been a thing in this country since its inception. The fact that the secret service failed to do their due diligence at policing the buildings surrounding Trump's latest rallies doesn't somehow mean that sectarian violence has reached some momentous peak. It simply means that people didn't do their jobs properly. Maybe because, like, why would they? I know that if I was a secret service agent assigned to the duty of watching after Trump, I wouldn't be particularly committed to the task. Maybe they felt the same way.
Edit: Here's the NY Times image of the vicinity surrounding the Trump rally. Why the fuck wasn't that place watched by the Secret Service? Any competent agency looking to protect someone would have 100% had agents watching that building.
I literally can't bring myself to respond to anything else you've said here because I clicked the Wikipedia link for assassination attempts on Obama, and learned that there was a plot to kill him with a Death Ray, and the leader of the group had actually constructed a partially working x-ray beam generator theoretically capable of delivering lethal doses of radiation over long distances.
Yeah; the FBI were doing undercover operations with them for 15 months before arresting them. I don't know any more details of the case than the wikipedia article highlights, but surely you'd have enough evidence to arrest people trying to build a death ray at some point prior to 15 months. Maybe our gov't just thought that their innovation was useful and figured they'd wait and see where they went with it.
Why would they pass up free R&D on a potential death ray?
They probably thought a death ray was total bullshit until suddenly it wasn’t
How is that not something that a lot more people know? That's nuts.
Did the secret service allow this? In the TMZ video of the return fire, it looks like the sniper on the roof was already aiming at the shooter well before he shot. And only after he shot did the sniper take him out.
Maybe coincidence...but seeing this level of incompetence from the secret service makes this whole thing seem very very fishy.
Did anyone even scatter when the gunfire went off? Thats a lot of shots. From the clips I've seen they stare.
I noticed that, too, but I just chalk that up to people freezing (fight, flight, freeze).
One interviewee said they thought it was fireworks.
Another attendee thought it was a prank.
I can’t see where they would exit/move
The easy explanation is that literally zero of the people on video have ever been shot at before. So you can see the crowd not react, trump himself barely reacts. Then the crowd panics once they realize but most of them are older and have no where to go. The security also makes a big show of tackling Trump and they all fixate on watching that instead of running.
So yeah it’s just everyday panic
I love how they tackled him but still let him stand up and pump his fist with his head exposed.
Every other video of a gun going off unexpectedly around a large group of people results in mass panic and and people immediately acting/running/stampeding in some cases. This video looks unnatural.
Honestly it could’ve been a variety of factors. The gun shots came from 300 yards away (from early reports I’ve read). Meaning that the sound will be greatly diminished by that time. And I do see the crowd panic but again, they’re older. And slow. They also have no idea what to do because they can’t locate the fire. I think the guards that rushed in stopped a lot of them from leaving or going anywhere since they assumed the shots came from the crowd. I mean a minute after the shots you see guards with guns pointing into the crowd.
This isn’t the first time I’ve seen a crowd freeze like this especially while seated. Humans are weird but if you’re standing, you flee. If you’re seated, you’re trapped and panic and freeze.
I can tell you right now, I would’ve sat there frozen. No where to go, no cover to find, armed guards rushing in, return fire happening, etc.
The secret service are cops and ACAB holds as true as it always does.
But if the secret service had shot first it would be a VERY different news story. And while all the youtubes about how amazing the secret service are from former SS officers who now run private security firms talk about their training and planning... politics is their first priority. An SS officer who pulls out an uzi to protect a fallen president is one thing. An SS officer who pulls out an uzi to unload on someone who "might have a gun" is a very different story.
Yeah, but that guy definitely had a gun. It’s not as if one could easily conceal an A.R. 15 while sprawled on a rooftop.
It was kind of a perfect storm that is going to change how basically every protective force maintains security.
The shooter was (allegedly?) 130 something meters away.
Snipers are generally focused on distances greater than 150 meters. So it would be the guys with assault rifles who are responsible for targets within that radius. Their optics are going to heavily favor closer ranges and people (who play call of duty) very much overestimate just how good of a view you get through those optics. You have more than enough clarity to aim for a center mass shot or even a headshot but you aren't making out fine grain details.
So you have someone who has a large "something". Maybe you are hearing "it is a gun" from eyewitnesses but eyewitnesses are morons. So you have people squinting and trying to get a clear picture through fairly close range optics and trying to figure out if that is a rifle or a camera on a tripod or what. Because the people with "sniper scopes"? If they pivot to look at the shooter then they are now ignoring what they are ACTUALLY supposed to be watching and... that is a known tactic.
So you have secret service squinting while people are sprinting to go storm the building. Because even if it is a gunman, the best case scenario is to capture them alive so that the speech is not disrupted and you have zero risk of executing a civillian.
I feel like there's a difference between stopping and assassination plot and stopping an assassination attempt.
Sounds like this kid did it all on his own. Harder to stop a plot when you don't tell anyone.
I mean, sure. There were plenty of both.
Trump chose his secret service detail based on loyalty, not competence.
This article and ones like it rub me the wrong way. Yes I get that this is the first time someone shot at a presidential candidate in a long time, but it's far from an escalation in violence. A 'lone wolf' shooter actually feels like a step back from the violent republican horde that swarmed Congress on Jan 6 at the behest of Trump.
Yes, this. Virtually everyone condemns this and shooting at a (Republican) candidate has zero systemic support. Meanwhile, the right still has not stopped gaslighting about, lying for, and outright supporting the insurrectionists (and the related coup attempt).
I'm not sure who this illusion of security and safety existed for prior to this? I'm Gen X - but the hangover of all the assassinations that came before my time lived on, even before the attempt on Ronnie Raygun. John Lennon was shot dead. Bud Dwyer committed suicide on live television. There were pre-Columbine school shootings of course, but that one really made an impression on Gen X and millennials for sure (to the point that earlier ones almost seem to have been memory-holed). Then there was 9/11 and it seemed like everything and everyone was a potential target - and in some cases, that was literal (Beltway sniper).
And for a few decades now, kids are run through drills to prepare for an active shooter on the grounds of their schools.
There are times when I'm at a major public event, or just shopping at a big box store, or a convenience store, or even just driving around...and wonder about the possibility of an active shooter. And I bet I'm not the only one. I don't let it consume me....but thoughts arise.
The stuff I mentioned above covers things that happened at impressionable ages for every generation from Boomer down to Alpha, and any Greatest Generation still alive also have watched all this and it's not like they are impervious to it. So I'm not sure who is living in this comfortable bubble...
Give me a break, we've been in this dark chapter since Regan. It's just middle class settlers are being effected now.
People have been taking shots at political figures since the beginning of this country.
This is nothing new.
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The poor are being affected severely. The rich are even being affected; they benefit from it. You're not wrong about Reagan though. If I had a time machine I'd go back and kill him in his sleep after he was finished with his military career... In Minecraft.
The chapter is not new, it's just recent. The bad old 60's are back,
The GOP wants the 60s to come back, but apparently they don't get to pick and choose what that means.
ive been telling yall electoralism cant stop fascism....
please organize.
This is the best summary I could come up with:
A spray of bullets may have only grazed Donald Trump in Pennsylvania on Saturday night, but they killed one rally attendee and critically wounded two others.They have also torn through the 2024 presidential campaign, damaging the social and cultural fabric of the nation.
Already, there have been some bipartisan calls for a cooling of rhetoric and national unity.Within hours of the incident, President Joe Biden – Trump’s likely opponent in November – appeared before cameras in Delaware to make a statement to the press.“There is no place in America for this kind of violence.
He cut short his weekend at the beach and is returning to the White House late Saturday evening.But the violence has also quickly filtered into the bare-knuckle partisan trench-warfare that has characterised American politics in recent decades.
Some Republican politicians have laid the blame for the attack on Democrats who have employed dire rhetoric about the threat they say the former president poses to American democracy.“The central premise of the Biden campaign is that President Donald Trump is an authoritarian fascist who must be stopped at all costs,” Ohio Senator JD Vance, who is reportedly on the shortlist to be Trump’s vice-presidential pick, posted on social media.
“That rhetoric led directly to President Trump’s assassination attempt.”Chris LaCivita, the Trump campaign manager, said that “leftist activists, Democratic donors and even Joe Biden” need to be held accountable at the ballot box in November for “disgusting remarks” that in his view led to Saturday’s attack.Democrats may object, but many on the left used similar language to describe the culpability of right-wing rhetoric in the months before the 2011 near-fatal shooting of Congresswoman Gabby Giffords in Arizona.
Security protocols will be tightened, and the protests – and counter-protests – near the site could be accompanied by a new sense of foreboding.Meanwhile, an even brighter national spotlight will shine on the party’s nominee when he takes the stage on Thursday night.Images of the former president, bloodied, with an upraised fist are sure to become a rallying point in Milwaukee.
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Yet another dark and dangerous chapter
Read Zero Dark Thirty. Pretty good glimpse at how the secret service wins and loses.
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