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[-] TheTechnician27@lemmy.world 31 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

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I can't root my Android phone right now to install something like LineageOS, but yesterday, I sat down, installed ADB, and got rid of a mountain of unnecessary crap that comes packaged with Android and which is installed as a "system package" so you're not allowed to uninstall it normally (e.g. Gmail).

It's extremely easy.

[-] kokesh@lemmy.world 18 points 3 months ago

Unlocking bootloader/flashing isn't so easy for most people. I root every device I get, but for normal users this process isn't easy. Also some manufacturers aren't so friendly towards people unlocking bootloaders. I remember Sony lowering camera quality when you unlocked/installed Cyanogenmod back in Z2 times, or more recently Asus preventing you from unlocking completely.

[-] PlutoniumAcid@lemmy.world 10 points 3 months ago

Eupean banking apps refuse to launch on unlocked phones. And you need said banking apps as mandatory 2fa to log into your online banking system.

So in EU you gotta choose between banking and rooting.

[-] ISOmorph@feddit.org 6 points 3 months ago

Don't throw in all of europe into one pot. The banks in my country still sell separate PIN machines for 2FA, which work great.

[-] PlutoniumAcid@lemmy.world 0 points 3 months ago

Oh right, I completely forgot about the separate device that you have to plug into your computer and then also plug your card into the deviceand then enter your pin. It's almost as convenient as having the phone app!

[-] cheddar@programming.dev 4 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

You are talking about the id card reader, not independent 2FA devices that generate codes. Also, in some countries you can get a SIM card with special certificates that can be used for identification and document signing, they work on virtually any modern phone. I think that feature uses the SMS protocol underneath, but I couldn't find the confirmation.

[-] ISOmorph@feddit.org 4 points 3 months ago

Well that sarcasm definitely backfired mate. The device I have is a QR Code scanner that works like a phone, with the important distinction that I can do with my actual phone what I damn well please.

[-] kokesh@lemmy.world 3 points 3 months ago

Denylist in magisk works for me in eu

[-] PlutoniumAcid@lemmy.world 2 points 3 months ago

Didn't work for me on a Samsung S6 or S10. Maybe I will try again some day but for now it's not worth the risk of never being able to go back, thanks to the Samsung physical one-time fuse.

My next phone should be a Pixel with Graphene...

[-] Nonononoki@lemmy.world 2 points 3 months ago

S10 LineageOS user here: Works with Lygisk and the Play Integrity Fix module.

[-] kokesh@lemmy.world 1 points 3 months ago

So Samsung doesn't let users go back to stock & relock? That truly sucks!

[-] SuperSpecialNickname@lemmy.ml 1 points 3 months ago

Try Kitsune Magisk. I had problems with regular Magisk but this one works really well so far.

[-] SomethingBurger@jlai.lu 1 points 3 months ago

Depends on the bank. Mine (BoursoBank) works on a rooted Lineage phone. I only had to add it to Magisk's exclusion list.

[-] Grippler@feddit.dk 3 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

I only had to add it to Magisk's exclusion list.

Yeah you needed to install a program specifically to trick the banking app in to thinking it's running on an unrooted device, because it otherwise won't launch (because it's rooted).

I've used magisk before, and its a major PITA to use. Every time you update your phone you need to redo the whole process of setting up magisk again, which requires connecting it to your PC to and running commands in the terminal. Huge fucking PITA.

[-] PlutoniumAcid@lemmy.world 2 points 3 months ago

The apps of the three big European banks I have banked with were able to detect magisk and refused even when on the whitelist.

[-] SomethingBurger@jlai.lu 1 points 3 months ago

No you don't. You simply need to run the Magisk app after an update but before rebooting.

[-] Grippler@feddit.dk 2 points 3 months ago

Yeah tell that to my LineageOS installation.I had to disable magisk to update, otherwise it failed, and then I had to re-add a magisk generated file with the flashing tool for magisk to work again.

[-] ichbinjasokreativ@lemmy.world 1 points 3 months ago

The apps my bank uses run perfectly well on graphene

[-] progandy@feddit.org 3 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Which is only available for a limited set of devices, does not have root, locks the bootloader again and is probably professional enough to get banks to approve their signing key. For those reasons it is nor a viable solution for everyone.

[-] ichbinjasokreativ@lemmy.world 2 points 3 months ago

Fair point, I just wanted to mention that there are unofficial, de-googled OSs that do work with banking apps so that newbies don't get the wrong impression

[-] PlutoniumAcid@lemmy.world 1 points 3 months ago

❤️

[-] technohacker@programming.dev 1 points 3 months ago

Add HMD Nokia to the blocking unlocks completely camp

[-] TheTechnician27@lemmy.world 1 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Yeah, the bootloader really seems like a challenge. ADB fortunately is extremely easy, especially if you use a tool like App Manager from F-Droid to correspond package names to specific applications.

Just adb shell when your phone is in developer mode and you hook up to your computer via USB, then pm uninstall --user 0 packagename.

[-] Kerred@lemmy.world 27 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

If I am looking it up correctly, judge Amit Mehta was appointed by Obama (who had ties with Google), and still ruled google a Monopoly.

I just like stuff like this as it shows a judge can put bias aside in a ruling at least once, supposedly.

[-] Nobody@lemmy.world 10 points 3 months ago

Lina Khan should be the next attorney general.

[-] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 2 points 3 months ago

Nah, I think she's doing good work where she's at.

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