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[-] RootBeerGuy@discuss.tchncs.de 17 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

A prolonged incursion into Russia could escalate the conflict, drawing in other nations and potentially leading to a catastrophic global confrontation.

Bit of a joke to write this, isn't it. The one country that is escalating things is Russia. They could have always moved back and have given up and this would all be over. Maybe Ukraine would leave the Russian territory if Russia leaves Ukrainian territory? Not sure that's on the table.

Edit: coming back to all the reactions. Just wow, hilarious.

Edit2: haha, they even come back to monitor edits. Fun times.

[-] davel@lemmy.ml 6 points 2 months ago


[-] interdimensionalmeme@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 months ago

Why would the Murican give such assurance to a failing empire? What would the Russians do ? Not collapse ? Kill a bunch of people as they retreat ?

[-] SovietReporter@lemmygrad.ml 1 points 1 month ago

Do you have a source of the genocide that happened in Donbas?

[-] anachronist@midwest.social 0 points 2 months ago

Russia is so terrified of Nato encroachment that they stripped their defenses along the Finnish boarder shortly after Finland joined Nato, and they've moved all the defenses at this point (first weapons, now troops) out of Kaliningrad.

[-] davel@lemmy.ml 6 points 2 months ago
  1. Invading via Finland isn’t a thing. Ask Bonaparte or Hitler. There’s nothing up there but lakes, mud, and mosquitos.
  2. Where were Russian speakers being killed by government-backed neo-Nazis for the last decade? In eastern Norway? No, in eastern Ukraine.
  3. The US doesn’t have nuclear weapons deployed in Finland, and no known plans to. NATO Ally [Poland] 'Ready' to Station Nuclear Weapons on Its Territory

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[-] freagle@lemmygrad.ml 4 points 2 months ago

Do you know what escalation means? Russia hasn't escalated shit since it launched the invasion. Each thing Russia has done since the invasion is part of the invasion. They haven't attacked other nations, they haven't embargoed or disrupted trade beyond their own borders, they haven't introduced new weapons platforms, they haven't made attempts to decapitate Ukrainian leadership.

Ukraine and the West are escalating. They've been escalating literally since the end of the Cold War. Each country on the border of Russia that got NATO nuclear sites was an escalation. Each color revolution was an escalation. Each sanction was an escalation. Each call for a no fly zone was an escalation. Each new weapons platform sent to Ukraine was an escalation. Each use of Western military intelligence to coordinate Ukrainian strikes was an escalation. Each time Ukraine struck civilian infrastructure inside Russia was an escalation.

You are using words you hear people say but you don't understand them.

Russia has had one demand since the USSR was dismantled - no NATO operations in Ukraine. When the USA escalated and supported the coup in 2014, Russia escalated and took Crimea. When the fascists in Ukraine escalated and sent paramilitary forces to terrorize and mass murder ethnic Russians, Russia escalated with paramilitary of its own in the region. When Ukraine escalated by pursuing NATO operations in its country and NATO made noise like it might, like when Trump escalated and approved the first weapons shipment to Ukraine in US history, Russia escalated by invading the border region. That's all of Russia's escalatory moves - 1 every 5 years or so. It's Ukraine and the West that have escalated since then. Sanctioning Russia was an escalation. Seizing Russian assets in violation of international law was an escalation. Sending lethal aid each year totalling more than the entire Russian military budget was an escalation. Sending Western intelligence, trainers, and even combatants to harm Russia are all escalatory moves.

[-] LemmyHead@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 months ago

They're out there watching you 👀

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[-] yogthos@lemmy.ml 6 points 2 months ago

looks like western sponsors of the war might have had enough of Zelensky

It is time for sober reflection. The Ukrainian people deserve leadership focused on practical, achievable objectives, not on grandstanding gestures. While courage and defiance are admirable, they must be tempered with strategic wisdom. The path to victory lies not in symbolic acts of defiance, but in the methodical, relentless pursuit of territorial liberation.

[-] the_wise_wolf@feddit.org 21 points 2 months ago

The path to victory lies not in symbolic acts of defiance, but in the methodical, relentless pursuit of territorial liberation.

That's just stupid. Are they really suggesting Ukraine should focus solely on grinding through fortified Russian defenses? War is more complicated than "just liberate the occupied territory". And while it's true that this counteroffensive has its risks. Everything they do or don't do has its risks.

[-] freagle@lemmygrad.ml 18 points 2 months ago

They're suggesting that everything is Zelensky's fault so they can blame him, turn public opinion against him (remember how much everyone thought he was a hero last year), so that when they coup/assassinate him people won't mind.

[-] PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmy.ml 17 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

I think they are just meant Ukraine should stick to the original strategy of prolonging the war no matter what. It's lost either way, but costly losses will finish it faster than daily grind as usual.

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[-] MarxMadness@lemmygrad.ml 12 points 2 months ago

That’s just stupid. Are they really suggesting Ukraine should focus solely on grinding through fortified Russian defenses?

That's clearly a losing strategy, too, but the "we'll fight them to the last Ukranian" crowd is still too far from reality to admit it.

The best decision for the Ukranian people is to negotiate an end to the war as soon as possible, which means accepting that when you are losing a war the peace isn't going to involve crazy shit like getting more territory than you started with (Crimea). They've lost, and they can come to terms with it now or do so later after a bunch more Ukranians die only get a worse outcome.

The reason the Ukranian government isn't doing that is because their NATO puppetmasters don't give a shit about the casualties of their proxies -- they just want to bleed Russia as much as possible. So without the option to negotiate, and with the impossibility of winning on the main front, they have to try Hail Mary gambits like the Kursk invasion.

[-] yogthos@lemmy.ml 6 points 2 months ago

This is not a counter offensive, it's a political stunt for the benefit of the smooth brained western public.

[-] frauddogg@lemmygrad.ml 18 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Ah, so the next phase of Amerikan 'friendship' is due to start. (Y'know, the point where the betray they guy they've been funding for like a decade and send him scurrying into a mountain range if he lives, right?)

[-] blarth@thelemmy.club 3 points 2 months ago

Fuck Russia. Enjoy the incursion, Putin.

[-] yogthos@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 months ago
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