Daily reminder to defederate from and block threads.net (and optionally all instances that do not do the same).
Exactly. Proudly presented by https://fedipact.veganism.social/ and https://fedipact.online/why among others.
You can read the human rights abuses that meta is facilitating above.
So... Instances like lemmy.world, that this is posted to?
yes, I'm federated with them as well, but shit like this is why I dislike them being so big. In the end all the smaller instances can either have strong morals and integrity, or have access to the largest amount of content in the fediverse, but not both.
Ehh mastodon and lemmy don't see a ton of cross talk. Threads is mainly going to affect mastodon instances.
Maybe we should do a reverse embrace-extend-extinguish where we open everything up until the point that they start introducing ads to enshittify the platform. Then after that great migration say goodbye to them
They can't place ads in your feeds.
Most platforms (especially reddit, instagram, twitter) moved ads from ad-dedicated spaces, to authentic-seeming posts, that are actually ads.
they technically could do this by representing ads with posts.
Why would you subscribe to those? Or are you claiming they would post ads as if they are from a user? In the latter case - the EU would shut them down before they even had time to deploy that.
That’s exactly the point. There are a lot of users on Threads who might be happy with the Fediverse. Threads will undoubtedly need a put in ads in their app/instance, their enshittification is inevitable. If it becomes easy for users to move over to more friendly Fediverse instances, that is a win.
Defedding from threads always seems strange to me. Everyone says it's to protect your data from meta. But they can already get your data. Everything on the fediverse is public. They already have your data.
It’s not about the data, but the community. Just like how Google killed IRC, big techs are always trying to embrace, extend and extinguish the services.
@Dirk @MrScottyTay Also I think that one should ask the question, what Meta could do with the data and what it is doing with the data of their users. For their users they use the usage data to present them a feed that the users appreciate. Also they use it to place ads inside of their apps. Also they use the data to serve you ads outside of their system on ad networks that use data from Meta.
All of this is technically not possible for Fediverse users.
Who's the artist of the image? I like the art style
Also the scared Lemmy and mastodon :( I feel bad for them
David Revoy.
Oh sick I didn't realize it was his work, nice, thank you!
That same Meta that performs emotional manipulation experiments on its users without informing them or receiving their consent? No, thank you!
THE ENSHITIFICATION OF EVERYTHING MUST NOT INCLUDE THE FEDIVERSE PLEASE
thank you for coming to my Ted talk
Fuck off Zuck, you're not welcome here.
Fuck the Zucc
This won't affect the Fedipact instances like dbzer0, right?
Nope. But world agreed to it and this could hurt the fediverse in the overall since world is the majority
Yeah that's the reason why I moved away from lemmy.world.
Same here. Fucking sell outs
Embrace, extend, extinguish.
That's not how ActivityPub works.
On a technical level, no. You're right. It would not be possible to capture the protocol entirely. But meta has serious cash to spend on marketing Threads. If they can capture enough of the ActivityPub market and were to collab with Bluesky and use their protocol (I forget the name), or make their own, it's only a matter of time before the drop activitypub and force users either to join threads or lose access to their users.
Threads and Bluesky are kind of an existential threat to ActivityPub given Meta and Twitter's track record with Open Graph, bootstrap, and public api's.
It's awesome that Threads federate with Mastodon. I follow several accounts on Threads I otherwise wouldn't be able to, just as I bridge with Bluesky.
Me federating with Threads makes absolutely no difference whatsoever to what they could or could not do with my data.
No. Threads federation should be treated the same way as a wolf joining a "sheep's right to not be eaten" meeting. Deeply unsettling, highly suspicious, and troubling. Facebook does NOT want the fediverse to succeed, and any claim to the contrary is fucking sus.
Other than general assumptions and track-record and being a business that sells user data, is there any actual evidence or clear and present ways that Meta could do harm to the Fediverse / its users?
All I've read is that it seems suspicious and we shouldn't trust them. I totally agree with that but I'd like someone to give some examples of what they could do as a member of the network. I've read how they could post advertising – how would that work?
I ask because, like the previous comment, the idea of following people from other, more popular, federated platforms from the comfort and security of "open source" (?) platforms is appealing. At the same time, if this is leaving me and my platform vulnerable to something specific, I'd like to either proceed with caution or not proceed at all.
The biggest loss for me when leaving Twitter was losing access to so much happening in my community and local news and government organizations. They're all still posting on Twitter and Facebook and Instagram and not moving to the open social web. More and more are moving to Threads though so it would be nice to maintain / regain exposure.
The basic idea is that a huge company with infinite money creates software that supports an open standard, such as Threads. Next they spend significant amounts of money driving users to their software, rather than an open software equivalent. Once they've captured a huge percent of all users of the open standard, they abandon the open standard, going with a proprietary one instead. They'll make up some new feature to justify this and sell it as a positive. Because they control almost all of the users at this point, many of the users they don't control will decide to switch over to their software, otherwise the value of the open standard drops significantly overnight for them. What's left is a "dead" open standard that still technically exists but is no longer used. You can find plenty of past examples of this pattern, such as Google and XMPP.
Sorry, but that makes no sense at all. Why go through all that trouble when they’ve already accomplished the end goal you’ve outlined?
To kill any competition and ensure they retain control over future standards. Money. It's pretty straightforward.
XMPP didn't die, so why would the Fediverse?
Theres no balance when one instance floods the whole network with millions of users. Soon people will mean that "threads" is whole "fediverse" .
But why?
Simply put, there aren’t a lot of us, we don’t like them, and we aren’t particularly nice people, even to people we don’t dislike a priori.
It seems like a poor business decision.
The largest social media operator in the world had to adopt open source concepts and ActivityPub in order to compete. I see this as a huge win.
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