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[-] dessalines@lemmy.ml 18 points 1 month ago

Downvote spam report: 1/4th of the downvotes on this one (so far) are from zero-content accounts.

[-] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml 14 points 1 month ago

Who could have done this

[-] Skedule@lemmy.ml 7 points 1 month ago

zero-content accounts

🙄

Again with this. Just for context, how many of the upvotes are zero-content accounts?

[-] thanks_shakey_snake@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 month ago

Interesting. How do you find that out?

[-] dessalines@lemmy.ml 12 points 1 month ago

Admins can see voting patterns.

[-] GarbageShootAlt2@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 month ago

Admins can see who upvotes and downvotes, I'm pretty sure.

[-] MrMobius@sh.itjust.works 17 points 1 month ago

I'd even replace communism with socialism. Since it's also vilified in the US, but it's a broader term which is, to me, more relevant nowadays.

[-] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 month ago

What do you mean? Socialism is generally just the process of building Communism.

[-] Strawberry@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 points 1 month ago

There exists socialist theory outside of marxism-leninism

[-] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 month ago

Yes, there does, but the idea of a Socialism that would not eventually work itself towards Communism is silly, that assumes a stagnant system that cannot advance.

[-] MrMobius@sh.itjust.works -1 points 1 month ago

Well I'd say communism is a type of socialism, where the latter is the ideal to strive for a better society for everyone, to intervene to help those who cannot help themselves. Communism tries to achieve this goal by making the means of production into communal ownership. With the State enforcing strict wealth equality. But it's still socialism with economic inequality at the beginning but fair and strong wealth redistribution in the end: equity.

[-] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 month ago

This isn't really accurate. Socialism is the domination of the proletariat over the bourgeoisie, ie worker ownership of the Means of Production, and the path towards Communism, an eventual stateless, classless, moneyless society.

Are you familiar with Communist theory? Equity isn't the goal, fulfilling everyone's needs is.

[-] MrMobius@sh.itjust.works -1 points 1 month ago

I consider myself a socialist/leftist and my primary concern right now is not to dominate the bourgeoisie. It's mainly to get them to stop tax evasion so we can fund our public schools and hospitals. And if they could stop voting for candidates who are in coalition with the far right that'd be nice too!

[-] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 month ago

That's Social Democracy, ie what the Nordic Countries are, not Socialism and not Leftism.

[-] MrMobius@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 month ago

Oh boy I'm no social democrat. A radical socialist if you prefer. You can have radical ideas like ending capitalism or taxing inheritance to 100% while still being for democracy and not being a revolutionary.

[-] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 month ago

All of the policies you described were those of Social Democrats, though. Additionally, Revolutionary Socialists are still for Democracy, just not bourgeois democracy, which makes Socialism impossible.

[-] friendly_ghost@beehaw.org 13 points 1 month ago

Communism works and has worked for thousands of years. People thrive when their needs are met. It's authoritarianism that doesn't work

[-] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 16 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

When do you call a system "Communist" and when do you call it "Authoritarian?" Early-human "communism" isn't what Communists advocate for, instead Communists advocate for moving beyond Capitalism.

[-] frightful_hobgoblin@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 month ago

authoritarianism has worked for thousands of years.

[-] metaStatic@kbin.earth 9 points 1 month ago

just because the system isn't working for you doesn't mean it's not working

[-] webghost0101@sopuli.xyz 8 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Depends on the goal doesn’t it?

Authoritarianism archives incredible luxury and comfort for a very small portion of people.

Communism archives collective well being and minimized suffering.

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[-] bi_tux@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago

communism always fails because it's authoritarian, that's the same reason the west, the east and everything else will fall

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