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[-] TrismegistusMx@lemmy.world 48 points 1 year ago

It's over 2000 years old. Jesus threw bankers out of the temple.

[-] hh93@lemm.ee 18 points 1 year ago

Yeah - the basis of capitalism is giving someone a loan since you believe they will pay you back more.

And that started way earlier than 400 years

I wonder where that number came from

[-] bouh@lemmy.world 14 points 1 year ago

Before it was merely people using money.

I've seen an interesting video about it a few months ago: 400 years ago is actually mercantilism. It means people build their fortune out of selling goods. Before that, it was about possessing lands and taxing the people who lived there.

Capitalism is different than both. It's not born 400 years ago with the trading with the America. It's born with the industrial revolution when the bourgeoisie seized the power with democracy.

[-] Trainguyrom@reddthat.com 5 points 1 year ago

The shocking thing is as you learn about mercantilism you learn that so many rich people seem to actually believe in Mercantilism rather than Capitalism. A big part of Mercantilism was the idea that all deals have a winner and a loser, and that no financial deal can be mutually beneficial. It encourages tribalism, and ruthless cutthroat competition between countries, and it encourages really predatory financial agreements between parties. If you're making a financial transaction and know that the one party is going to be screwed over by it, you might as well screw over the other party as much as you can get away with to ensure you're the winner and not the loser.

[-] bouh@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

I guess capitalism can be seen as an extension of mercantilism, but now they don't only trade goods but everything they can. They're the same people so the ruthless cutthroat part would merely be their original philosophy.

[-] Fleur__@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago

From the Dutch who would sell shares of the profit they were going to make before a voyage. Very different from the norm at the time when usually a monarch or noble would fund such projects. I personally think it's a very good spot in history to think of the beginning of capitalism

[-] hh93@lemm.ee 3 points 1 year ago

Investing money in someone to start a business because you believed that business would be worth it in the end happened way earlier though.

That's just more abstract as the final value you can receiv isn't capped anymore - but just having a loan-based economic model is already pretty capitalistic tbh.

But I see how what was basically the creation of stocks can also be seen as a starting point

[-] Fleur__@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

I think the more important change was that it wasn't just nobles it was a wealthy merchant class investing

[-] Bytemeister@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

I think the basis for capitalism is actually that the price of a product or labor is set by the market. It probably "started" the first time Gork traded Thmm a spear for 3 shiny rocks.

[-] spacesweedkid27@lemmy.world 18 points 1 year ago

Feudalism is a more simpler and unfree version of capitalism and it has existed for a very long time.

[-] scytale@lemm.ee 12 points 1 year ago

What was the common system before that? Feudalism?

[-] TheBigMike@lemm.ee 11 points 1 year ago

Mainly mercantilism which just means that everyone wants to only export and importing stuff is literally the worst thing in the world. Mercantilism also had a lot more state restrictions on it compared to capitalism.

Feudalism mainly died out in the 1400's when more of the power was centralised to the king instead of their vassals.

[-] Sheeple@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

Feudalism, Anarchism, primitive forms of communes, etc. The world was a mixed place.

Capitalisms only became successful thanks to the ability to easily connect places. And even then it wasn't as globally dominating as it was today before we had a revolution in transport methods.

[-] ElPussyKangaroo@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago

But capital punishment is even older! HA! CHECKMATE BITCH!

[-] RQG@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago

Capital letters too!

[-] AdmiralShat@programming.dev 4 points 1 year ago

Find resource, claim resource, take resource by force, exploit resource, expand reach, repeat

This is the fundamental basis of nature as a whole. Anything outside of this is either a temporary exception or a misinterpretation of data.

I'd argue this has existed for about 3.8 billion years, not 400. 400 years for the English word, sure..

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