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[-] SattaRIP@lemmy.blahaj.zone 34 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Hey, remember when democrats were saying Trump is crazy for trying to start a war with Iran?

[-] Crikeste@lemm.ee 24 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

I remember when Democrats gave a fuck about 1 thing. Now they care about 0 things.

Imagine this:

-A democrat who supports genocide.

-A democrat who is championing Trump’s border policy.

That’s where we are now. That’s who democrats are now.

But I’m a ‘tankie’ for pointing that out, I guess.

Have fun explaining your way out of how your supported a candidate who supported genocide and deportations, liberals. ❤️

[-] lemmyseizethemeans@lemmygrad.ml 15 points 1 month ago

Yep. And when Kamala wins the popular vote but loses the electoral college because swing stat voters actually don't support GENOCIDE the Dems won't show a degree of self awareness or accept any responsibility, they will just blame Jill Stein voters

I say let them attack iran. It will be the final thrashing before the American empire collapses completely.

[-] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 6 points 1 month ago

I remember when Democrats gave a fuck about 1 thing.

What's that?

[-] Crikeste@lemm.ee 12 points 1 month ago

I don’t even know, I was just trying to give a little on all that I took. lmfao

[-] AVincentInSpace@pawb.social -4 points 1 month ago
  1. There are two choices in the United States 2024 election. No third party stands a ghost of a chance of winning. No, not even if the 30,000 people you can reach on Lemmy all vote for Timothy Greenparty.
  2. A Trump victory in 2024 would not only be just as bad if not worse for the citizens of Gaza than Harris would, but also pose an existential threat to a large number of vulnerable Americans (trans people, immigrants, women seeking abortions).
  3. Given the margins of victory in 2016 and 2020, Kamala might not win if leftists don't vote for her.
  4. Snoozing fascism for four years is better than inviting it through the door now, and buys us time to build our defenses for when it comes back.

I'd like to focus my counterargument. Which of these statements do you disagree with?

[-] OurToothbrush@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 month ago

What are you doing to stop fascism outside of voting for the lesser fascist?

Fascism cannot be defeated through the ballot box. It is capitalism in decay, when capitalist democracy becomes unviable and the capitalist ruling class choose capitalism over democracy.

[-] AVincentInSpace@pawb.social -5 points 1 month ago

So, none of the above, but you're still not going to vote?

[-] OurToothbrush@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

I'm dismissing your framing; I dont live in a swing state, dont try to convince me to vote for the lesser fascist.

My question is, do you care about stopping fascism or do only you care about delaying it for another four years?

Do you care enough about stopping fascism to put in work to stop it outside of election day and trying to post your way into getting people to vote? Like, seriously, are you interested in putting in actual work to prevent fascism in the US in our lifetimes? This isn't a gotcha I'm trying to set a baseline.

[-] tiefling@lemmy.blahaj.zone -2 points 1 month ago

I'd like to ask what are you doing to stop fascism? You're actively stopping people from voting for the only person who can defeat Orange Hitler, so what are you doing to make up for that?

[-] OurToothbrush@lemmy.ml 8 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

I'm doing about 20 hours of work a week as part of a socialist org, in service of building up a center of power to actually be able to challenge the lesser and greater fascist.

I'm thinking long term, because I'm not satisfied with "just vote for the less fascist party every four years as each party keeps getting more fascist" If all the work you're doing is within the confines of bourgeois sham-democracy you'll never be able to defeat fascism. Fascism is capitalism in crisis. You can either find a magic cure to stop the contradictions of capitalism from heightening or you can move toward defeating it.

The latter is the only one that has been demonstrated to actually work.

[-] i_c_b_m@lemmygrad.ml 2 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

I sure hope Brown Hitler beats Orange Hitler.

What a vibrant fucking democracy you amerikkkans sure have over there. Whatever meaningless, bootlicking bourgeois electoralism you choose, let's hope you don't get everyone else on earth killed as a result of your endless and unapologetic imperialism, invasions, coups, proxy wars and many genocides.

Is it guilt that keeps you from reading your own history and understanding that all this mass murder that amerikkka has been inflicting on the world for hundreds of years is not driven by the individual incoherent puppets your political system forces you to choose from, but from the very nature of your capitalist empire? Fascism is the product of capitalism in crisis. It's not a thing you can vote against, since you have absolutely no meaningful input in the decisions of the worlds most violent military empire (and you know it). What kind of political system creates a revolving door for endless marches of psychotic war criminals and even puts a few of them on the menu every few years? Obviously not a system that opposes fascism.

[-] Crikeste@lemm.ee 0 points 1 month ago

lol You support fascism. Look in the mirror, you dumb bitch. You are the problem. You are a Nazi.

[-] AVincentInSpace@pawb.social 1 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

I do so love it when leftists who have never interacted with me beyond reading a single comment tell me what I believe

[-] DmMacniel@feddit.org 30 points 1 month ago

hey, lets do some buddy-buddy attacking sovereign nations with a GENOCIDAL STATE!

[-] floofloof@lemmy.ca 17 points 1 month ago

Just the thing to endear your party to the electorate before an election. For Republicans, a war actually does this. Not so sure about Democrats.

[-] queermunist@lemmy.ml 21 points 1 month ago

Cool, crash the price of oil right be fore the election.

Biden is trying to make Harris lose. He hates her for taking his job.

[-] goferking0@lemmy.sdf.org 10 points 1 month ago

Biden's bitter at people realizing he's too old. Pretty sure he was hoping to go out like feinstein.

Bibi just wants someone he can influence with shiney things rather than needing to pull strings.

What a fantastic democracy/republic we have in the USA 😭

[-] alcoholicorn@lemmy.ml 21 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

If anyone wants, here's an extremely optimistic 2009 Brookings Institute white paper on how various hostile actions against Iran would play out based off numbers and history.

Chapter 3 analyses a "boots on the ground" invasion (the occupation would require a draft), Chapters 4-6 analyze American and Israeli airstrikes. Neither of them expect Iran to employ masses of drones or close the strait, and they consider ballistic missiles against US assets unlikely.

While they have an extreme western bias, there's no way you can twist the numbers to look good.

[-] Teils13@lemmy.eco.br 16 points 1 month ago

Since i'm in south america, i will grab the popcorn and watch the gringos fighting with brown people for the nth time.

[-] PyroNeurosis@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 1 month ago

I was certain you'd be bored of it by now. But at least it's not another one of our "Roosevelt Corollary" adventures.

[-] yogthos@lemmy.ml 15 points 1 month ago

the party of lesser evil driving the world towards WW3

[-] PanArab@lemmy.ml 14 points 1 month ago

Biden is as much of a Zionist as Netanyahu

[-] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 5 points 1 month ago
[-] sun_is_ra@sh.itjust.works 14 points 1 month ago

Vice President Joe Biden meets with Israeli Prime Minister

Joe Biden has been demoted to Vice President ?

[-] azimir@lemmy.ml 13 points 1 month ago

According to Fox News, President Obama is still president and so is Traitor Trump. Everyone is president, depending upon who is watching at the moment to stir up one kind of hatred or another.

[-] i_c_b_m@lemmygrad.ml 1 points 1 month ago

I think the Whitehouse is currently on Code Wilson.

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