Why is join lemmy promoting a pedophile instance? (sh.itjust.works)

submitted 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) by dramaticcat@sh.itjust.works to c/lemmy_support@lemmy.ml

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In case anyone is wondering, it's rqd2.

The definition of paraphilia is "a condition characterized by abnormal sexual desires, typically involving extreme or dangerous activities.", which can inclde pedophilia.

It has recieved 4 censures from fediseer due to the content contained on that instance

Not a good look for Lemmy to be promoting any instance like that.

You can see for yourself here

Update: A pull request was sent to remove the sus instance. It should no longer show up soon

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[-] burtek@programming.dev 64 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I think it just auto-discovers federated instances and randomly shows them on the page unless explicitly disabled...

[-] dramaticcat@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 year ago

True but it still isn't a very good look for lemmy.

[-] superkret@lemmy.ml 29 points 1 year ago

The only ones who have to be concerned about the looks are the instance admins.
Lemmy isn't a product in need of marketing.

[-] LinkOpensChest_wav@lemmy.dbzer0.com 17 points 1 year ago

You're right, but this is the sort of thing that gets blown up by the media and used to shut down privacy-friendly platforms.

Maybe it's a slippery slope fallacy on my part, but it's not unimaginable to consider the idea that legislators could try to take down an enitre platform based on something like this. Just look at some of the proposed privacy-antagonistic legislation that's been introduced recently to see what I mean.

[-] superkret@lemmy.ml 18 points 1 year ago

The Fediverse isn't a platform with a server you can take down, though. That's the beauty of decentralization.

[-] LinkOpensChest_wav@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 1 year ago

Good point, yeah

[-] umbrella@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 year ago

still shouldnt be listed there

[-] Spzi@lemm.ee 5 points 1 year ago

Many Lemmy users wish their niche communities would become more populated. For goals like that, the reputation of the platform is important. I also don't want to get into defensive debates when revealing to someone that I use Lemmy.

[-] burtek@programming.dev 14 points 1 year ago

Someone should then probably let them know 🤷

[-] Darkassassin07@lemmy.ca 56 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Seems like the kinda thing that comes down to "because it hasn't been explicitly told not to yet". It's a computer grabbing from an ever changing pool of instances based on parameters, not a person hand picking what they like. Computers aren't usually aware of social ques or laws...

[-] dessalines@lemmy.ml 17 points 1 year ago

That's correct, its fixed now.

[-] cyclohexane@lemmy.ml 33 points 1 year ago

I don't have a link, but the lemmy creators (and maintainers of join-lemmy) answered this in a AMA about a month ago. They said they'd prefer the horrible people concentrate in their own instances so we can block them easily rather than have them in our instances. The join lemmy list does not serve as an endorsement, but a catalog of all available instances.

[-] MrSpArkle@lemmy.ca 21 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Saying it's not an endorsement is playing semantic games. Join-lemmy.org is a site that promotes Lemmy, and having this instance there is encouraging new users to hop onboard an instance that encourages people to discuss how best to rape children.

[-] Buelldozer@lemmy.today 9 points 1 year ago

They said they’d prefer the horrible people concentrate in their own instances so we can block them easily

Then they need to stop stonewalling and add user controllable instance blocking. I know that some clients have it but they've been rejecting calls to add it to the main lemmy codebase for a long time.

[-] cyclohexane@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 year ago

I am pretty sure I remember reading in the latest changelog that they just added it? At least on the backend they did. Probably didn't work out the frontend features for it.

[-] jerbid@programming.dev 6 points 1 year ago

I think it's important to add that the answer in that AMA referred to exploding heads (or maybe a different right-wing instance but something like that) and not this one. I'm sure the Lemmy devs would care a lot more about removing links to a pedo instance than a political one

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[-] dessalines@lemmy.ml 30 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Sry about that yall, I was out today.

Its gone now thx to @SleeplessOne1917@lemmy.ml .

Any admins as well as anyone that runs instance discoverers / crawlers like join-lemmy.org be sure to update your blocklists,.

Edit: In the future if anyone could make PR's to this file, we'll try to get to them ASAP.

[-] dramaticcat@sh.itjust.works 7 points 1 year ago

Thank you

[-] Transcendant@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

Sorry if you've had to answer this question too much... where can I find out why these instances have been added to the blocklist? Some of them I recognise from previous incidences where someone has flagged them as problematic & provided evidence but some are confusing. I'm nervous about checking them out, but I clicked on one because it sounded very innocuous.

lemmy.glasgow.social just appears to be an instance discussing social events in Glasgow, Scotland, with additional focus on hacking / computer science... how come it's been blocked? In the modlog I can see that they had a bit of a user purge about 3 months ago with no actions taken since then. But there's never been any deleted comments or posts.

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[-] jerbid@programming.dev 17 points 1 year ago

Jesus Christ the first local post I saw after checking it out was a meme about being a MAP from a user called "Matt Walsh"

I mean that's hilarious but also damn it really isn't a queer/kink instance that's messed up

[-] PrivateNoob@sopuli.xyz 5 points 1 year ago

Yeah that lad is pretty active ngl. Atleast Matt knows that being a MAP is pretty hardcore ultra cringe. (https://rqd2.net/post/15585).

(Fuck why am I complimenting degenerates like MAPs?)

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[-] Oka@lemmy.ml 13 points 1 year ago

Thanks to your awareness, its now the most popular listed.

[-] MataVatnik@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

That was an interesting rabbit hole I just went through. There was a post about French postmodern philosophers who defended pedophilia that was posted on that instance as a validation to their cause, meanwhile all the comments under the video are of people recounting their trauma of being sexually assaulted as children.

[-] _haha_oh_wow_@sh.itjust.works 11 points 1 year ago

I'll just leave these here...

https://www.rainn.org/news/how-prevent-child-sexual-abuse-material-csam

https://www.missingkids.org/cybertiplinedata

[-] feminalpanda 9 points 1 year ago

Dam, that's sad. That was the first instance I tried to sign up with but it wouldn't get past the verified email part. Guess that's a good thing, I had to look me into it as I thought this post was just another alt right witch hunt for trans people. Maybe a kink instance could be made with hard rules about that stuff. Really a LGBT community with a wiki would be good. I just got on here so maybe something like that already exists.

[-] dramaticcat@sh.itjust.works 8 points 1 year ago

Guess that’s a good thing, I had to look me into it as I thought this post was just another alt right witch hunt for trans people. Maybe a kink instance could be made with hard rules about that stuff. Really a LGBT community with a wiki would be good. I just got on here so maybe something like that already exists.

If anything, lemmy is making the LGBTQ+ community look bad by promoting this instance, and I wouldn't be surprised if there are people pretending to be LGBT over at that instance to make the community look bad.

[-] feminalpanda 6 points 1 year ago

I agree, I hold no ill will to non offenders and hope they get help but the posts on there are not about getting help or coping.

[-] needthosepylons@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Err, are you sure about your words op? I just looked at their sidebar and it looks pretty clear about that, no?

Quoting :

"Nothing illegal under US (specifically Nevada) or local law. You know what that includes. (In case you don’t know what that includes, I mean child pornography [anything that fails the Dost Test], sexually interacting with minors, etc.) We have a zero tolerance policy for anything that fails the Dost test. Anything violating it will result in an immediate ban and removal of images. No admitting to anything that could cause the server to go under investigation, such as looking at child porn."

Edit : Well, looks like they don't enforce this rule indeed.

[-] dramaticcat@sh.itjust.works 10 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Don't be fooled, check the fediseer link provided in the post for examples

Their biggest community is a MAP community where they don't even pretend to not be pedos

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[-] peter@feddit.uk 4 points 1 year ago

Hmm, have you checked any of their communities? There's a lot of communities on there that openly discuss being a pedophile and being attracted to children.

[-] needthosepylons@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

Well, I have know and you're right indeed.

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