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Am I? Who knows (startrek.website)
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[-] Neato@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago

Transporter accidents prove transporters work this way and are murder machines. To an outside observer a perfect clone is the same person, impossible to differentiate. But to the individual's experience, they die every time they are disintegrated in a transporter. It's a new consciousness being created when reassembled that thinks it's continuous. It's hand-waved away because it's how it's always been and transporters are a key part of the Star Trek setting.

[-] FfaerieOxide@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago

People get way too worked up about this.
Be less "Guy Fleegman afraid he was a redshirt" and more "Guy Fleegman once he's realized he's comic relief".

If a consciousness thinks it's continuous that consciousness is continuous.
The substrate your consciousness dances on also changes all the time. Molecules arranged around the galaxy or cells dying and being replaced pose the exact same quandary, and the solution to both would seem to be "who cares"?

The arrangement of cells and neurons known as "You" goes in, the arrangement of cells and neurons known as "You" comes out.

[-] nymwit@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago

I think it's more they are murdering the current instance of a pattern of matter and with it the biological implementation of the pattern of consciousness. Another instance of the same pattern is created near simultaneously. To flip it, aren't they life creating machines as much as murder machines?

[-] jaycifer@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago

There is a chapter or two from a book by philosopher Derek Parfit that tackles the transporter issue pretty head-on. It draws what I feel to be a pretty compelling distinction between the continuity of your conscious mind, referred to as Relation R, and the personal identity that is lost when using the transporter. He then asks which is more important. Worth a read if this stuff interests you.

[-] llamatron@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I teleported home one day, With Ron and Sid and Meg.

Ron stole Meggies heart away, And I got Sidney's leg.

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