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[-] riodoro1@lemmy.world 2 points 50 minutes ago* (last edited 49 minutes ago)

The planet will win. I can assure you of that.

It was here long before us and it will be long after we are gone.

[-] Pantless_Paladin@lemmy.world 1 points 33 minutes ago

Exactly, the one who loses is humanity, not the planet.

[-] Uruanna@lemmy.world 1 points 18 minutes ago

In the same way it won after the 5 previous mass extinction events I guess (we started the 6th).

[-] JustJack23@slrpnk.net 5 points 3 hours ago

As if Harris would have done something for the climate

[-] MrMakabar@slrpnk.net 0 points 2 hours ago

She has done something for the climate in the past and unlike Trump actually understands that climate change is real.

[-] AceFuzzLord@lemm.ee 2 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago)

The way I see it, it's not too late to organize another Jan. 6th. If I had the means and ability to make it over and help with a Democrat version, I would no questions asked. Anything for the sake of preventing that fascist from re-entering the oval office. I'm at the point where I'm all for Dems going violently radical against the fascists.

If one does get organized, I'd be willing to chip in a small amount of money out of my financial aid in order to aid the right side of history.

[-] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 10 points 11 hours ago

Ukraine is fucked Taiwan is probably fucked Europe is probably fucked Palestine is fucked The world climate is fucked

Did I miss anything?

[-] Uruanna@lemmy.world 1 points 15 minutes ago

If Europe falls, it'll be because of our own Nazis coming to power everywhere if we can't eradicate them, not because of the US.

[-] MrMakabar@slrpnk.net 1 points 2 hours ago

Migrants in America are fucked as well. Mass deportation, if they are lucky, if not they kill them.

[-] HorseRabbit@lemmy.sdf.org 0 points 54 minutes ago

Don't be ridiculous

[-] Didros@beehaw.org 4 points 7 hours ago

Economists think his economic plan will crash the dollar and, by extension, the world markets.

But in brighter news, Flint Michigan has clean water as of a few months ago...

[-] AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world 1 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago)

95% of the lower tax brackets (as in if you aren't in the top 5 % they are raising your taxes permanently, again) of the US are now not only fucked, we are now "the enemy within," for being "too poor."

[-] jonuno@slrpnk.net 1 points 9 hours ago
[-] TheBat@lemmy.world 20 points 13 hours ago

Congratulations to climate change. You won buddy. Now get to work on Florida and Texas.

[-] SeikoAlpinist@slrpnk.net 66 points 17 hours ago

I guess the world burning was worth sticking it to Kamala for Gaza.

[-] Didros@beehaw.org 3 points 8 hours ago

I guess Gaza being 100% fucked was worth losing the presidency for Democrats.

[-] Damage@feddit.it 18 points 14 hours ago

may a better species rise from the ashes of our civilization

[-] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 6 points 11 hours ago

10 dollars say that trump will die in office, soon, and his extremist successor will install himself as a theocratic dictator

[-] Uruanna@lemmy.world 1 points 11 minutes ago* (last edited 7 minutes ago)

I was thinking it depends how fast Trump's friends/handlers can get to Vance (how fast Musk can buy him and Bannon can convince him), and how loyal Vance will be to a dead guy. And who knows what Putin has on him. But he might fuck up some international responses (I mean, fuck up the screwing over).

[-] HubertManne@moist.catsweat.com 13 points 15 hours ago

the environment. everything. roe vs wade was because of the judiciary but now they control all the levers.

[-] dontgooglefinderscult 12 points 18 hours ago

Well they'll try. Unfortunately for oil and coal companies, China exists.

[-] kozy138@lemm.ee 13 points 15 hours ago* (last edited 15 hours ago)

But per capita, China is pumping way less greenhouse gasses into the atmosphere than the USA. And much of China's industry only exists to sell cheap goods to Western countries.

China also built more high-speed rail in a decade than the US has in it's entirety. Not to mention how fast they're producing electric cars and solar panels.

[-] dontgooglefinderscult 6 points 15 hours ago

That's what I mean, oil and coal companies can try regression, but China is already able to export the means for countries and communities to create their own power cheaper than those groups could buy power from fossil fuels companies.

[-] KillerWhale@orcas.enjoying.yachts 2 points 14 hours ago

That's what tarrifs are for.

[-] dontgooglefinderscult 2 points 13 hours ago

Tariffs issued by the US will only harm the US, and so on. The anti China block represents an extreme minority of people in the planet and an ever shrinking percentage of total industry and energy use. More and more countries are choosing brics

[-] MrMakabar@slrpnk.net 0 points 1 hour ago

A lot of countries do not like China. India and China have regulare border fights that alone is massive, the EU does not like China too much either(Ukraine being a big part of that), Indonesia has just hit China with 200% on textiles, Mexico, Brazil and Chile have added anti dumping tariffs on Chinese steel, Thailand is looking into Chinese dumping as well. There also are border conflicts with the seven dash line with most nearby countries like Vietnam, Philipines, Malaysia and Indonesia.

BRICS is a group of countries, who do not like the US. That however does not mean they like China. That is why you hear the term multipolar world order a lot from those countries. As in no country should rule the world.

[-] KillerWhale@orcas.enjoying.yachts 1 points 3 hours ago

Tarrifs will temporarily and artificially prop up USA oil gas and car manufactures at the expense of the US taxpayer

[-] Telorand@reddthat.com 23 points 18 hours ago

Unfortunately, climate action is a collective effort globally. With him being in the pocket of Big Oil, expect no further investment into renewables and increased coal mining, fracking, and oil drilling.

Anyone who cared about climate and voted for him (or abstained/voted third party) basically fucked themselves and everybody else.

[-] dontgooglefinderscult 10 points 17 hours ago

That's nice, but Americans and American companies can't afford non renewable energy. Trump needs to triple subsidies over the next 4 years to keep them competitive with renewable energy.

Just a reminder, Trump is not more corrupt or well bribed than Texas, and Texas is one of the largest producers of renewable energy in the Western hemisphere. Money wins over ideology, and there's a lot more money to be had with solar and wind given the now low upfront costs and nearly non-existent maintenance costs compared to all fossil fuels.

[-] Telorand@reddthat.com 7 points 17 hours ago

I hope you're right. I don't really see that in practice, as we slow walk that transition.

[-] sonori@beehaw.org 3 points 17 hours ago

Counterpoint, Alberta exists and low costs benefit the consumer, not the company. I am fully confident that the profit made by oil and gas is significantly more than the tight profit margins in renewables, which means far less money to throw at politicians. Oil and gas can therefore throw much more money at Trump and still be in the black on their ‘investment’, even if you ignore that Trump has deep ideological and political opposition to renewables.

[-] dontgooglefinderscult 4 points 16 hours ago

Renewables don't have tight profit margins, you're think of nuclear, maybe hydro.

Solar approaches a 100% profit margin after 20 years, wind only ever gets to 90ish but still has the same timeline. Without subsidies, neither oil or coal gets profitable.

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[-] Rhaedas@fedia.io 9 points 18 hours ago

As well as changes to the EPA, NOAA, etc. Talking about climate change might become dangerous. Asking for help from FEMA may weigh heavily on how your state voted.

[-] 14th_cylon@lemm.ee 5 points 17 hours ago* (last edited 17 hours ago)

Anyone who cared about climate and voted for him

i think that intersection is very small.

[-] Telorand@reddthat.com 5 points 17 hours ago

Which is why I also included abstainers. Not large groups on their own, but enough to swing an election

[-] federalreverse@feddit.org 7 points 18 hours ago* (last edited 17 hours ago)

Chinese policy doesn't give a shit about climate change. In fact, Xi is banking on a Northern passageway to Europe permanently unthawing to avoid the partly US-controlled South China Sea.

Xi cares about staying in power until he drops in the 2030s, for that he neess to keep the country stable and the people quiet. So what he really wants is industrial power and rising welfare. He's found that one of the best ways to gain an edge that is to spur useful innovation that wealthier nations will want to adopt.

What this means is that we'll see a lot of climate-friendly technology coming out of China, but the country may not care much about cleaning up its footprint.

[-] leftytighty@slrpnk.net 9 points 17 hours ago

Even if you are right I'll take doing the right thing for the wrong reasons over the fucking disappointment and self destruction coming from the United States.

Doesn't matter how you spin it, China is objectively better for the world right now.

You can feel morally superior all the way to societal collapse

[-] Telorand@reddthat.com 7 points 17 hours ago

Tbh, doesn't feel good pinning hopes on China, but I'll take what I can get at this point.

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