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Windows VS Linux (lemmy.world)
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[-] synapse1278@lemmy.world 12 points 23 hours ago

Installing regular Windows 10/11 is definitely more than twice as painful than installing Debian 12.

Once, I was trying to install Windows 10 and wasted an entire day! The installation would systematically fail at the beginning of the installation with a BS error message that doesn't give any hint about what's going wrong. In the end it just didn't like USB3 as an installation media! I reflashed it to a USB2 and it worked, but OMG was it super slow ! It took literally hours to install !!!

Debian, even as a noobie, you'll go from flashing your ISO to a booted system within an hour. If you've done it once before, you will get it done in 20 minutes.

[-] lud@lemm.ee 3 points 19 hours ago

It works over USB 3.0, it sounds like you just have a broken or corrupt drive.

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[-] Eiri@lemmy.ca 6 points 23 hours ago

What the hell. I've never seen such an issue. Microsoft is so considerate; they provide us with cool little surprises like that from time to time. ♥️

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[-] PieMePlenty@lemmy.world 40 points 1 day ago

Biased as fuck lol. Installing windows is not difficult. I did it first time at the age of 8 witn WIndows 98 and their newer installers are made so the general public can do it. And the bloat and spyware? Thats windows dude. Its not meant to be your OS, its meant to spy on your ass at the benefit of being familiar and (relative) easy to use. Anything you do to it post clean install is your own tinkering. Linux distros are great yall, but install difficulty is not a metric I would use to attack windows. Comparing between distros makes sense.

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[-] arc@lemm.ee 24 points 1 day ago

I don't even know what this graph is even supposed to mean. Bitch about Windows all you like but the installation process is typically very simple.

[-] Agent641@lemmy.world 18 points 1 day ago

There is no X axis so I'm going to assume it means potatoes per guinea pig

[-] Couldbealeotard@lemmy.world 14 points 1 day ago

I guess it means that no one here knows what Windows Debloated is and didn't read far down enough to see regular windows marked as very easy to install.

[-] scholar@lemmy.world 13 points 1 day ago

Boot off usb, create partitions, wait, spend five screens clicking 'no' on all of the options, unplug ethernet so it allows you to make a local account, wait, login, spend 15 minutes uninstalling all of the preinstalled nonsense, disable all of the advertising on the task bar and desktop, pretend the rest of the telemetry doesn't exist, download and install the latest drivers from each manufacturers website. Very simple.

[-] Luccus@feddit.org 10 points 1 day ago

Man. Last time I just wanted to check if my new laptop was working properly, so I booted up it's preinstalled Windows. I literally had to look up how to get Windows to get me into Explorer without creating an account or connecting it to my network.

It took me about 25 minutes and Windows was already installed on the damn thing.

It took 15 minutes from booting a prepared Fedora stick to logging in.

I honestly believe that, by now, Linux is no more difficult than Windows. People are just not used to the differences.

[-] Honytawk@lemmy.zip 5 points 1 day ago

You got a point up until you login.

Afterwards, just run a powershell script that automatically uninstalls the bloat and disables all the stuff you don't want. Takes 30 seconds at most.

Drivers are automatically installed via Windows update for everything except Nvidia.

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[-] b34k@lemmy.world 5 points 20 hours ago

Where’s Arch if you don’t RTFM? (I mean we’ve got 2 windows install modes there… only fair)

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[-] shadowedcross@sh.itjust.works 9 points 1 day ago

Installing debloated windows is not difficult at all.

[-] leisesprecher@feddit.org 9 points 23 hours ago

And how difficult is it to keep it debloated? MS seems to be hellbent on pushing their crap into everyone's face.

[-] explodicle@sh.itjust.works 4 points 21 hours ago

Every Windows apologist: "I will keep current on the hacks to fix it forever, easy."

I'm glad I invested the time learning Linux before I had kids and now have no time for anything.

[-] shadowedcross@sh.itjust.works 4 points 19 hours ago

I hope you don't think I'm being a Windows apologist. I'm not defending Windows itself, I'm just saying that it isn't that hard to debloat it.

[-] explodicle@sh.itjust.works 2 points 19 hours ago

Understood, sorry to imply that you were.

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[-] Zetta@mander.xyz 4 points 23 hours ago

I would say it is, it's extra installation steps. Fedora I just click a handful of buttons and the OS is installed with no Spyware

[-] polle@feddit.org 4 points 1 day ago

Its called Installing linux.

[-] frayedpickles@lemmy.cafe 47 points 1 day ago

Windows requires pressing next 12 times, what are you people smoking and can I haz?

[-] Ilovethebomb@lemm.ee 24 points 1 day ago

There's also a number of things you have to click "no" on, like a free trial office or Onedrive.

It took me around an hour to set up my new Win 11 laptop, most of which was downloading and installing updates. I expected far worse.

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[-] bwv1004@lemmy.world 2 points 20 hours ago

So by linux, you mean not every open OS? Can we add freebsd? Not the easiest but lots of users willing to help on a forum post.

[-] AnimalsDream@slrpnk.net 3 points 22 hours ago

Why is Debian more difficult than Fedora? I could understand older versions, but these days they fixed pretty much all the small annoyances. No need to use the "nonfree" iso, because that's integrated into the installer. And post install sudo works as expected out of the box. I'd say they should be equal.

[-] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 54 points 1 day ago
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[-] Peasley@lemmy.world 115 points 1 day ago

I've never "debloated" Windows so idk about the top half.

The bottom half is accurate. Debian, Fedora, and Mint are easier to install than Windows 10 or 11. Not that Windows is difficult, it's just a bit clunky and idiosyncratic.

I assume Microsoft doesn't care much about the installer since it's generally only used by OEMs, whereas for Linux distros it's a first impression so it has to be polished.

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