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You can't be both pro-labor and pro-corporate. Corporate support may fund your campaign, but labor support gets you the votes and that is what matters in the end.
Really? Cause Trump got the votes and he's definitely pro corporate.
Yeah, but he says things at his rallies that make him appear pro-labor. Never mind his history, never mind his intent - Trump attempts to have the right optics, and in politics that matters way more than objective facts on policy (unfortunately). This works way better than what the Dems did fucking around with the likes of Mark Cuban and Liz Cheney while pretending Bidenomics helps anyone but mega corps.
He didn't get the votes. The Democrats didn't do anything to encourage voters to turn out. Trump had a similar showing as he did in 2020, while the Dems ate shit because they had nothing to offer America other than "Trump is bad".
Actually, Trump 2024 beat Biden 2020's numbers in all but one key swing state. In other words, the loss in Dem voters were from places that didn't really matter (indeed, Harris outperformed Biden in most of the swing states, the only ones that matter due to Electoral College). Trump 2024 would have beaten Biden 2020.
So, yes, Trump did get the votes.
If you want to downvote me could you at least comment and let me know why? Do you just not like facing the reality that Trump did in fact get the votes?
Trump also won with first time voters. That ought to really wake the Democrats up, but I kinda doubt it will.
They mean you can’t BE both. Not that you can’t sucker voters.
Sadly, there's a lot of people with a lot of power in the party who'd rather lose than do that.
Seems pretty obvious to me that the only reason most high-ranking politicians climbed up through the political system in the first place, regardless of the party, was the goal of establishing self-serving ties with billionaires and corporations. They're not here to represent us, they're here to get paid a whole bunch of money to do the job of telling us they're here to represent us.
Well, I guess they'll keep getting what they want then. But that's also unsustainable.
Plus those who do try usually get pushed out
Bernie did what he did without it. All he needed was the DNC tag of DEM.
Here’s the difference. GOP let Trump win the nomination and he redefined the party. The DNC didn’t let Bernie win the nomination so the needed transformation never happened.
Granted, I suspect the willingness to play ball re money decided both those actions.
money is a hell of a drug
So they’ll keep losing. Got it.
Something has happened which nobody probably not even Republicans thought could happen. Reality does not have liberal bias.
Democrats are still operating on this assumption. They figure people will vote for them by virtue of some 60/40 (or whatever unbalanced) scale that naturally leans left. Unfortunately I don't think they have gotten the wake up call even now. They cannot just do whatever the fuck (like being a party of the rich) under the assumption that if they get enough people to vote regardless of political affiliation then they will win.
It’s why Harris grew her support among voters making over $100,000 a year and lost support among voters making less.
This has been very evident on certain parts of the internet. Especially spaces where the tech workers hang out. They all talk like they can identify with working class folk. You simply cannot point out they are out of touch with the working class without causing them serious brain malfunction.
"B-but my ~~avocado toast~~ cost of living", fuck I wish they would can it already. Nobody making over $100,000, certainly not well above that is struggling that hard. You aren't. Sorry (not really) but that's the facts. Always some wise guy got to chime in with some anecdote about how they personally are though.
It's not just the party Democrats but liberals and leftists making over $100,000 a year who live in another reality. One where they are the stuffy old rich people. Only they do not see themselves this way. They are having a very hard time seeing it. This is where the Republicans were pre-Trump. The dead end party stuck in their old rich people ways. The tables have turned.
That includes you, millennials. Yes, you the rich ones. You are rich old people now.
Which is as functionally insane as anything else in this country because Republicans are double the level of corruption and in bed with the wealthy elites.
Republicans give people a narrative and an enemy. Democrats tell people who are broke that they should stop complaining because a line went up on some graph.
I'm not saying that it's rational, but that's the reason. I'm noticing that the murdered CEO stirred up some fun narratives. Maybe the Democrats could work with that. If the dude gets caught, he should run in 2028. Apparently felonies don't matter.
Yeah, telling poor people to "GET GUD" since the economy is great ^TM^ was a wild election move.
[Opinion] That Will Never Happen
Maybe a third party will be viable again some day...
Not without rank choice voting first. Without it the concept of wasting votes will prevail.
The Democrats are wasting our votes anyway
It's a start, but they're going to have to do more than that.
this post was submitted on 05 Dec 2024
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