Mobile web browsing in 2023 : google

[–] Stovetop@lemmy.world 92 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I had to use the mobile version of Chrome recently on a locked down work device with an MDM policy that prevented installation of other browsers. It made me realize I had no idea just how far gone the mobile web has become with ads.

As an experiment I grabbed a random article on my Google News feed for today and opened it in Chrome with no ad blocking allowed and Samsung Internet with ad blocking enabled to compare.

Chrome produces a nightmarish hell scape of ads that just gets worse the further down you scroll.

Samsung Internet isn't perfect because there is still a large banner taking up space at the top of the screen, but it blocks all of the ads in the article along with the website's own ads for other articles.

The cynic in me, however, acknowledges that the truth of the situation looks more like this, even with ad blocking enabled.

[–] blindbunny@lemmy.ml 13 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Thanks for the this, I got a chuckle. Especially gizmodo...

[–] Hotdogman@lemmy.world 87 points 2 years ago (1 children)

aD BloCkeRs aRe RuINinG oUR wEbSitE!

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[–] Duke_Nukem_1990@feddit.de 74 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Weird, I don't see anything like this on firefox.

[+] Maajmaaj@lemmy.ca 17 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

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[–] PlantJam@lemmy.world 9 points 2 years ago (4 children)

Sounds like a great reason not to use the home screen search bar. I use nova launcher so I can disable it completely.

[–] JokeDeity@lemm.ee 6 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Reading this just made me decide to remove the Google search bar from my home screen and put the Firefox widget there instead, but I'm a little disappointed that it really just functions as another button to open Firefox instead of letting me use the bar like it visually appears it should be.

[–] deweydecibel@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

The type of widget you're thinking of hasn't existed for a while. Google broke that functionality on Android a couple versions back. Some apps still make widgets that create the illusion it's working that way, but it really isn't.

So no, you can't have a functioning Firefox search bar on the home screen.

But you can make a widget that's basically a shortcut to the internal searchbar. One tap will:

Open the browser, create a new tab, place the cursor in the search bar, and open the keyboard.

It serves the same function: one tap then you can start typing your query and hit enter. It just doesn't do that on the homescreen.

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[–] deweydecibel@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago

On the Nova Launcher, you can change the default search app to Firefox.

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[–] carpelbridgesyndrome@sh.itjust.works 44 points 2 years ago (2 children)

What godawful browser is injecting that ai nonsense? The ads are bad enough but the browser itself seems to be using 1/3rd of the screen

[–] icedterminal@lemmy.world 25 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (3 children)

This is on an iPhone. They're using Microsoft's Edge "browser" which is just a reskinned Safari.

For those who don't know, Apple's developer terms explicitly state:

2.5.6 Apps that browse the web must use the appropriate WebKit framework and WebKit JavaScript.

https://developer.apple.com/app-store/review/guidelines/

[+] bob_wiley@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

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[–] icedterminal@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago (2 children)

It's not really "going out of my way to dig at Apple"

There's little reason to use any other browser on iOS because of the policy they enforce. If all you're getting is just Safari with a different face, you're literally making your browsing experience slower and worse. Some people don't know this so my comment educates them on such.

[–] Swarfega@lemm.ee 4 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

Wait. So you can't install Firefox and uBlock Origin on iPhone?

I've been contemplating moving to an iPhone but this is actually quite a big turn off.

[–] icedterminal@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

Firefox doesn't support extensions on iOS. As it's currently impossible. Due to Apple's restrictions forcing the use of WebKit, this makes Firefox (Gecko) extensions incompatible. Additionally, Apple's own extension system for WebKit is proprietary. https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/add-ons-firefox-ios

As far as features go, what can't natively be done is handled with JavaScript injections. As WebKit allows you to do this. Since it's locked down most take advantage of this. Naturally, injecting several functions can slow down the web experience. About the only feature IMO that will matter to most people is the ability to sync content. Such as passwords and browsing history.

[–] Swarfega@lemm.ee 3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

Sorry, I edited my post after doing some research and came across Mozilla's own articles stating the same.

https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/add-ons-firefox-ios

[–] icedterminal@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago

Oh. No worries. Lol. Wild timing on that.

If the EU ruling ends up being a thing for the rest of the world out of simplicity, then iOS users are stuck in a shitty situation.

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[–] Scolding7300@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Does it support add-ons?

[–] rob_t_firefly@lemmy.world 10 points 2 years ago (1 children)

It supports ad ons.

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[–] philodendron@lemdro.id 5 points 2 years ago

Idk why the other guys saying it’s some edge browser. This is the google app on iPhone. The bottom part pops up when you click on articles because they’re pushing their AI summaries. It’s actually a great feature but it’s annoying how much space it takes up

[–] Illuminati@lemmy.world 43 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Honestly web browsing on mobile has been a piece of sh1t for a long time, without adblockers it's a total cancer.

And even with an adblocker it's always the god damn cookie popups...

[–] echodot@feddit.uk 10 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (5 children)

Firefox has a plugin called I Don't Care About Cookies, Which basically just ignores the pop-ups and auto except / rejects them, but for some strange reason that plugins you can add to the mobile version of Firefox are extremely limited.

Essentially the plugin implements the functionality that should have been mandated under the cookie law to begin with which makes the choice browser side rather than web side

[–] Klaymore@sh.itjust.works 12 points 2 years ago (6 children)

I think ublock has a block list for cookie notices as well

[–] rothaine@lemm.ee 4 points 2 years ago

OMG why aren't these checked by default

[–] Illuminati@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

I had the lists activated but they still didn't work.

Just activated the Adguard ones and I'm not seeing any more cookies crap for now, thanks.

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[–] AProfessional@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago

You can install any extension in the beta version. Some won’t work though.

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[–] ramble81@lemm.ee 40 points 2 years ago (7 children)

Firefox and uBlock Origin…. Now sadly I wish I could find something like that on iPhone.

[–] mosiacmango@lemm.ee 14 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Change the phone dns to nextdns.io or adguards dns. Use dns over https if possible.

[–] Alivrah@lemmy.world 9 points 2 years ago

I use 1blocker on the iPhone. Unfortunately (iirc) they stopped doing lifetime purchase and went the subscription route. Luckily I purchased it before they did that.

It works great.

[–] Crow@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago

iPhone has AdGuard pro.

[–] AtariDump@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago (4 children)

Setup a PiHole. Not 100% guaranteed but it stops a lot.

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[–] TheFriar@lemm.ee 3 points 2 years ago

Firefox and reader mode is your best option for mobile.

[–] tromars@feddit.de 3 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Not sure atm what the extension I use for safari on iPhone is called, but it works great for me. I‘ll look it up when I get to it

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[–] ScoobyDoo27@lemm.ee 3 points 2 years ago

Just use adguard on an iPhone. I see 0 ads across all apps I use.

[–] wabafee@lemm.ee 27 points 2 years ago

I love how it just keep getting worst as I scroll.

[–] BlinkerFluid@lemmy.one 25 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Why do you choose to view ads? Inaction is a choice.

[–] akakevbot@sh.itjust.works 21 points 2 years ago (3 children)

Yup. I work from home and have a pihole on my network at home so I've gotten used to not seeing the ads.

Was browsing on mobile data while on the road and was reminded why its necessary. It was unbearable.

[–] ObsidianZed@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago

I do the same with an (almost) always-on vpn to the same pi with wireguard set up. I use Tasker on Android to auto start the wireguard tunnel if I disconnect from my home Wi-Fi. I typically only disable it if I'm running into issues with an app etc, and I'm too lazy to dig into and whitelist any relevant domain.

[–] vox@sopuli.xyz 3 points 2 years ago

use nextdns

[–] LazerFX@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 years ago

I'm working on setting up a VPN, so even when mobile I'll connect back through my home network to view filtered adverts. At least, I might end up using DNS from my home anyway.

[–] TeamDman@lemmy.world 19 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Would be nice if such behaviour tanked SEO

[–] rip_art_bell@lemmy.world 13 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

From what I understand, web crawlers see a totally different version of the site than users do

[–] TeamDman@lemmy.world 12 points 2 years ago (3 children)

Only due to using a different user agent, it's totally possible to build a for-the-people pagerank that would see what we see and deprioritize stuff like ads and fluff on recipe pages

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[–] misanthropy@lemm.ee 16 points 2 years ago (1 children)

What, you don't enjoy ads on your articles that are also ads?

[–] jcit878@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago

don't you enjoy discussing with your friends and family what interesting ads you've seen lately? - what marketers think people actually do

[–] Kuro@lemm.ee 13 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

And yet they're baffled as to why so many people use adblockers

[–] LemmyNameMyself@lemmy.world 10 points 2 years ago

huh

[–] Anonymousllama@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago

Spot on for what browsing without adblockers looks like. What a hellscape