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Anti-Israel Protestors Shout ‘Gas the Jews’ Outside Sydney Opera House (themessenger.com)

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The protesters also lit off flares, according to Sky News Australia

Angry pro-Palestine protesters marched to the Sydney Opera House on Monday and appeared to chant "gas the Jews" and "f--- the Jews," according to an Australian media report.

The protesters also lit off flares, according to Sky News Australia.

A video of part of the protest, which began peacefully earlier in the day, was posted to X -- formerly known as Twitter -- by the Australian Jewish Association.

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[-] Instigate@aussie.zone 133 points 11 months ago

This is just disgusting behaviour. No one should ever be calling for genocide, regardless of any circumstances. Also, why are all Jewish people being conflated with the Israeli government? Jews outside Israel have no power over its government, and even Israelis had to go through some five hung elections to get Netanyahu back in power, indicating that he clearly has less than 50% of the country’s support.

Now if they had been shouting “fuck Bibi” or “end the occupation” or “no more genocide against Palestine” I’d be right there with them. These idiots have no fucking clue how to garner support, so all they’re doing is giving Israel more moral high-ground. Goddamn Nazis need to learn some physical consequences.

[-] jet@hackertalks.com 39 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

A big problem in conflating the bad government and the ethnic population and the religion is the fact the country is setup as a religious ethnocentric state. The titles, messaging, and words all conflate.

People are terrible with nuance at the best of times, when they are emotional that nuanced capacity goes out the window. So you can't be pro Palestine, anti Hamas and have any discussion.

This inability to maintain nuance applies to the other side too. You're either pro Israel, or anti-Semitic, at least in the public discourse. You can't be pro-Palestinian, anti Israeli (government), pro Jewish, that viewpoint has too much nuance for discourse in social media.

[-] joao@aussie.zone 15 points 11 months ago

Completely agree. And this conflation of Jewish people and the Israeli government actions, mostly pushed by Zionists, is something that progressive, pro-palestine Jewish people have been complaining about forever.

[-] Instigate@aussie.zone 14 points 11 months ago

I think the discourse here is showing that nuance is definitely possible in social media, but that those social media that favour nuance are the absolute minority and located predominately away from mainstream social media.

I’m pro-Palestinians, pro-Israelis, anti-Hamas, anti-Zionist, anti-Hezbollah and anti-Israeli Government simultaneously, and that view seems to be pretty well accepted here.

[-] jet@hackertalks.com 5 points 11 months ago

What's the difference between anti-Zionist, and anti Israeli government?

We're having a good discussion in this thread. But another threads I've participated in recently, the discussion goes quickly off the rails.

[-] Instigate@aussie.zone 11 points 11 months ago

Not all Israeli parties are Zionist - it’s predominately the coalition of right-wing parties. To paint all Israeli politicians as being Zionist is a bit disingenuous, although I do admit that the vast majority of Israeli political discourse is dominated by Zionist overtones.

There are also cultural and religious minorities in Israel - predominately Christians and Muslims - and the Knesset has had a fairly stable cohort of Arab or Druze members since it was established.

If we’re talking about the current ruling parties? Absolutely, they’re Zionist through-and-through. But they’re not reflective of the whole Knesset.

There are also Zionists outside of Israel - Evangelical Americans as a group come to mind here. There are many people of many religions around the world that believe that Israel has the right to Palestine for one arcane reason or another.

To suffice: not all Israeli government are Zionists; not all Zionists are Israeli.

[-] jet@hackertalks.com 5 points 11 months ago

That was a very succinct explanation. Thank you

[-] rockSlayer@lemmy.world 15 points 11 months ago

Right there with you. Anyone that didn't immediately shut that shit down was complicit, making it a bunch of fascists masking their bullshit in leftist positions.

[-] Amaltheamannen@lemmy.ml 15 points 11 months ago

If you read the article you will notice this was a minority group of idiots that were quickly shut down by the protest organisers.

[-] Instigate@aussie.zone 7 points 11 months ago

Yeah, I did note that in the article when I read it. My comment wasn’t directed at the protest organisers - it was specifically towards the Nazis in the crowd. I thought my comment indicated that; sorry if I wasn’t clear enough.

[-] Psyduck_world@lemmy.world 13 points 11 months ago

I swear every good cause have god damn idiots like these messing them up.

[-] tryptaminev@feddit.de 10 points 11 months ago

Israels is trying to rope all Jews in, demanding support and claiming itself to be the state representing judaism as a whole.

Unfortunately many jewish organizations around the world consider unconditional support for Israel as part of their goals, even when Israel is commiting crimes against humanity. There is also jewish organizations with a balanced view towards Israel, but they are unfortunately much smaller.

[-] Barbarian@sh.itjust.works 14 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Israel is trying to rope all Jews in

As a secular non-Israeli Jew, this is absolutely correct. They correctly state that they're the country of last resort, the refuge for Jews if things go full Nazi in whatever country you're in. Then they use that status to try and get unconditional support for all their policies.

Likud, Shas, the various hyper-religious parties and all their allies shouldn't be allowed to run a corner store, let alone a country.

Especially Otzma Yehudit. Those people are scum of the highest order.

[-] LibertyLizard@slrpnk.net 4 points 11 months ago

Ironically, Israel is getting closer to full nazi than most other places with large Jewish populations. Perhaps they will soon be fleeing for Europe or North America.

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 8 points 11 months ago

Also, why are all Jewish people being conflated with the Israeli government?

You've got me, but I've had to justify that multiple times about myself.

[-] Instigate@aussie.zone 3 points 11 months ago

I’m sorry you’ve had to deal with that. That’s not okay. You deserve to have an identity beyond Zionism and whatever makes up the current Knesset. I’m sorry that other people don’t have the nuance to understand you. Please keep bringing your point forth, we need to hear more Jewish and Palestinian voices in this conflict.

My voice honestly doesn’t matter. I’m not Palestinian nor am I Israeli. But I hope it’s heard and brings civilians - the innocent casualties on both sides - together to understand that their respective representatives are engaging in atrocities and to protest those so-called representatives.

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 5 points 11 months ago

I'm not Israeli, just Jewish. Which is why I hate having to explain that I'm not a Zionist just because I'm a Jew.

[-] Instigate@aussie.zone 1 points 11 months ago

I can’t imagine what that’s like; I’m so sorry for your experience. It’s not okay for others to lump you in with a crowd based solely on your religion or cultural background. That’s honestly just discrimination, and no tolerant society should accept that. I hope that we soon have a day where your existence doesn’t need to be explained to those who don’t understand it.

[-] Amaltheamannen@lemmy.ml 104 points 11 months ago

Nobody here read the article, don't take the rate bait. This was a small group of idiots in a larger protest. The organisers quickly shut them down and made it clear this was not welcome.

[-] June@lemm.ee 63 points 11 months ago

I feel like you can be pro-palestine without being antisemitic…

[-] Tedesche@lemmy.world 20 points 11 months ago

Just like you can be anti-Hamas without being anti-Palestine or pro-Israel.

As with virtually any war, the problems here are two relatively small groups of people with radical ideas that are enforcing their will upon millions of innocent people.

[-] Clent@lemmy.world 14 points 11 months ago

These people only hate Jewish people. If they had any love for Palestine they wouldn't be fanning this flame.

[-] June@lemm.ee 8 points 11 months ago

The people chanting ‘gas the Jews’, absolutely. No question about it.

But the majority of folks that support Palestine are not antisemitic.

[-] kaffiene@lemmy.world 41 points 11 months ago

That's disgusting. I'm pro Palestine but anti semitism is revolting

[-] McBain@feddit.ch 36 points 11 months ago

This is instead of answering multiple people:

Hamas is an anti-Semitic terror organization (not anti Israeli). You can't really separate between Hamas and Gaza citizens because Hamas controls Gaza. Hamas has day camps for children (in order to brainwash them from a young age), they have TV shows, radio channels, etc...

Mein kampf is a best seller in Palestine (see the comments and other links accept the answer).

Mein kampf was translated to Arabic in the 1930s and it's still spread in some countries in order to create anti semitism (of course), and it's not just in Muslim countries.

Hamas don't give a toss about Palestinians, they want to please Iran and Qatar.

[-] Grimpen@lemmy.ca 1 points 11 months ago

What? Mein Kampf has dislodged Protocols of the Elders of Zion?

[-] McBain@feddit.ch 2 points 11 months ago

News channels published that Israel bombed a hospital in Gaza only 5 minutes after it happened without any evidence or fact checking. Then they found out that it's actually a failed missile that was launched from the cemetery behind the hospital by the Islamic jihad. Some of them still haven't apologized and the BBC refuse to call Hamas terrorists. And people still think the jews control the media....

[-] Number1SummerJam@lemmy.world 34 points 11 months ago

I would take this article with a grain of salt. The Messenger is a conservative leaning publication intended to push an agenda.

[-] Ringmasterincestuous@aussie.zone 24 points 11 months ago

It wasn’t the sky news Australia team on their lunch break was it?

[-] xmunk@sh.itjust.works 15 points 11 months ago

On their lunch break? I'm sure it was a company event and they were on the clock.

[-] cupcakezealot@lemmy.blahaj.zone 24 points 11 months ago

Newspaper trying to smear Palestine by labelling white supremacists as pro Palestine...

[-] TastyWheat@lemmy.world 21 points 11 months ago

See, us Aussies have a word for these type of people - cunts.

Nazi works too. Fucking animals.

[-] Phoenixbouncing@lemmy.world 5 points 11 months ago

No, that last one's zoophiliac, but probably works too.

[-] TastyWheat@lemmy.world 3 points 11 months ago

Hahahahha

[-] AllNewTypeFace@leminal.space 16 points 11 months ago

I’m sure these people can expect a visit from the Australian Federal Police pretty quickly. Australia still has some tough antiterrorism/national-security laws on the books that could be used to put them in a deep, dark (or constantly fluorescent-lit) hole they won’t emerge from.

[-] Kayel@aussie.zone 16 points 11 months ago

As this doesn't interfere with mining interests or criticism of the government the AFP will be sleeping through any antisemitic sentiment

[-] lemmus@lemmy.world 11 points 11 months ago

Disgusting.

[-] ElBarto@sh.itjust.works 11 points 11 months ago

The quickest way to destroy your message is to declare death on someone.

[-] pinkdrunkenelephants@lemmy.cafe 11 points 11 months ago

The whole Israel/Palestine thing is gonna be the media's wedge issue of the week, isn't it?

[-] Anonymousllama@lemmy.world 1 points 11 months ago

Send the pricks back to the middle east if they want to act like that. Disgraceful

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