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[-] spujb@lemmy.cafe 8 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago)

fnuny meme but if you read the article i don’t think calling them “centrist” is defensible:

Mr. Aboutboul is a founding member of Students for Standing Together, a new student group at U.C.L.A. that aims to unite Israelis and Palestinians to call for a cease-fire in Gaza.

so these “centrists” are doing statistically better than your representatives. the comments here talking about “only committing a half genocide” are just doing bad faith echo chamber discourse, which i don’t find the be productive.

At Columbia University, Aharon Dardik, an Israeli American student, formed a group called CU Jews for Ceasefire after finding that his viewpoint wasn’t fully reflected in the main pro-Palestinian student movement. He is a pacifist who spent his teen years with his family in the West Bank but who ultimately refused to serve in the army in Israel. He believes in working with Israelis and Palestinians toward collective liberation and a world not divided by ethnonationalist allegiances.

Dr. Waxman also became a target of right-wing pro-Israel groups, including after he wrote on social media that he supported the International Criminal Court’s request for an arrest warrant for Israel’s prime minister, Benjamin Netanyahu, a position he said he took as a supporter of international law.

no hate to OP but let’s laugh loudly at the ones who deserve to be scoffed and mocked, not the people who are actively supporting Palestinian emancipation. i’m sure there’s stuff to be criticized in these folks but if there is, find it and call it the fuck out specifically instead of hand-waving “centrist”—especially when doing so just deplatforms the underrepresented Jewish Anti-Zionist population.

(honestly let’s laugh at whoever wrote and approved that headline, it does no service here.)

[-] TankovayaDiviziya@lemmy.world 4 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago)

The most middle of the road opinion on Israel-Palestine issue is the two state solution. It worked on Northern Ireland with the Good Friday Agreement and it should work between Israel and Palestine. Many scholars from both sides also want to use NI peace deal as the blueprint. Compromise is the key just like with Protestants and Catholics did in Northern Ireland.

The problem is, of course radicals from both Palestine and Israel do not want this because-- well-- they're radical.

[-] Shacktastic@lemy.lol 0 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago)

The other centrist option is the zero state solution. Just glass the Levant and let any survivors fight it out mad max style while the rest of the world refuses to have any interaction with them. Unlike the two state solution, neither side had to trust, cooperate, or develop empathy and respect for the other. It's extremely expedient: any one of a handful of leaders could implement this solution within just a few minutes. And nothing says "this peace is permanent" like a charred radioactive hellscape.

My "lose lose" zero-state solution benefits over 8 billion people who will never again have to endure on the nightly news the bitching and posturing of these two mutually genocidal tribes.

[-] underwire212@lemm.ee 7 points 5 hours ago

We must only kill half the Palestinians.

[-] ininewcrow@lemmy.ca 47 points 10 hours ago

“We must always take sides. Neutrality helps the oppressor, never the victim. Silence encourages the tormentor, never the tormented” is a quote by Elie Wiesel from his 1986 Nobel Peace Prize acceptance speech.

[-] PlainSimpleGarak 2 points 3 hours ago

Or you can just not have an opinion on a subject. It's ok to not have an opinion sometimes.

[-] queermunist@lemmy.ml 1 points 3 hours ago

It's not okay to not have an opinion on the bombs you're paying for.

[-] PlainSimpleGarak 1 points 2 hours ago

Sure it is. There are many things my taxes are paying for that I don't have an opinion on.

[-] queermunist@lemmy.ml 4 points 2 hours ago

"You can't be neutral on a moving train."

You can choose to not have an opinion, but that just means you're siding with the genocide. There's no neutral option.

[-] PlainSimpleGarak 1 points 1 hour ago

That's just your opinion. You can't actually prove that.

[-] queermunist@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago)

I can prove that you are supporting genocide. You pay your taxes, right? Then you're supporting genocide.

Unless you're too young to pay taxes? In that case I could give you a pass - it's not like you know any better anyway.

But this is something we all have to reconcile - we're all complicit. You don't get to wash your hands of this.

[-] PlainSimpleGarak 1 points 53 minutes ago

Again, you've proved nothing. This is just a conclusion/opinion. Just stop.

[-] kittenzrulz123@lemmy.blahaj.zone 0 points 2 hours ago

If you're a ShitLib who supports genocide its pretty easy to find company. Just enter .world, twitter, read any capitalist run media outlet, or talk to the millions of braindead "centrist" ShitLibs that hang out in the gentrified parts of any city.

[-] ComradeMiao@lemmy.dbzer0.com 28 points 11 hours ago

At my university the police literally threaten anyone who tries to be pro Palestine… every Jewish group is pro zionist

[-] queermunist@lemmy.ml 67 points 14 hours ago

If you don't support indigenous resistance to occupation, you're on the side of the occupation. There is no center.

[-] PlainSimpleGarak 3 points 3 hours ago

Next you're going to tell me the Cardassians were the bad guys.

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[-] OutlierBlue@lemmy.ca 58 points 14 hours ago

When one side is committing genocide and the other side wants no genocide, you don't pick the middle and support half-genocide.

[-] ReCursing 29 points 14 hours ago

More accurate would be "Committing genocide" and "Wants to commit genocide but doesn't have the guns", with the majority of the actual population on both sides (rather than the politicians and emboldened extremists) just wanting to not be genocided. Personally I'm picking the "chuck the politicians in a hole and let the people live" option. No idea what the ideal solution looks like but I feel like getting the fascists and religious extremists on both sides out of the equation would be a good starting point

Hamas wouldn't exist if Israel didn't commit genocide. You can't win a war on terror. You can stop "terrorists" without hurting a single person though.

[-] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca 5 points 8 hours ago

Yes, an Israeli government that recognizes Palestinians as people is the first step then hoping the olive branch extends to the other side

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[-] Borger@lemmy.blahaj.zone 84 points 16 hours ago* (last edited 16 hours ago)

Yep. Also calling it the“Israel-Hamas war” is propaganda. Makes it sound like the only people dying in Palestine are Hamas soldiers, which is obviously nowhere near the truth.

Centrists are literally just anti-opinion and spineless.

Free Palestine.

[-] assassinatedbyCIA@lemmy.world 8 points 6 hours ago

Centrist just support the status quo. So if the status quo is genocide then they just support genocide.

[-] ComradeMiao@lemmy.dbzer0.com 13 points 11 hours ago

Centrist opinions be like Six million Western European Jews were killed in the holocaust so millions of Eastern European and American Jews, who were supported by the Nazi’s, deserve to kill any middle easterner that stands against the formation of their own imperialist state

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