"Fellas, is it gay to eat a salad?"
„I don’t know. Wanna toss mine?“
Here ... let me push in your stool .... adjusts your bar stool from behind
And so is heart disease. Nothing more masculine as dropping from a clogged heart.
Or diabetes and GERD ... nothing like frothing at the mouth with a diabetic attack or sleeping with a breathing mask and oxygen to make you look like a man.
As a diabetic your example, well intentioned as it may be, is completely wrong in pretty much every way.
I'm not diabetic ... but half my family is (and I have a big family) ... and I've seen my share of out of control diabetics who have full blown attacks because they are so chaotic that they don't bother monitoring themselves or their disease. I'm Indigenous Canadian from northern Ontario and I have a pretty dysfunctional family ... I've seen young men in their 20s with out of control diabetes ... people in their 30s with blood sugar so freaking high, you wonder why they are still alive .. .people in their 40s with amputations due to diabetes ... and people dying in their 50s from the disease. It's terrible. On many occasions I've had to call ambulances and take family and friends to emerg because they were helplessly losing control of their mind and bodies due to diabetes ... it isn't pretty and absolutely terrifying.
As to the GERD ... that disease affects mostly my affluent friends in cities and towns in the south ... I have four friends who are in their 50s who have severe GERD to the point where they can't breathe at night because the reflux is affecting their esophagus and obstructing their airway ... and the only way they can properly breathe at night is with a mask and oxygen.
I've been a type 1 diabetic for 12 years and a director at a kids camp for type 1 diabetics for 5 years. There is no such thing as a "diabetic attack". There is high blood sugar (because diabetics either don't make or don't process insulin) and there is low blood sugar (because an insulin dependent diabetic took too much insulin). What you are trying to describe is a diabetic seizure which 99% of the time is an accidental overdose of insulin (low blood sugar).
Now if you're trying to talk about complications from uncontrolled diabetes from a lifetime of not taking care of it yes that is terrible, but that's the minority of diabetics and you have to go to pretty extreme lengths of not taking care of it (literally years/decades) to get to that point, so let's not act like the issue is the diabetes itself.
And even if we ignore all that what the fuck does that have to do with eating meat? Most diabetics prefer a high protein diet because it's CARBS that raise blood sugar. If you're argument is meat = fat = overweight then 2 things, overweight doesn't cause diabetes (it's a factor for type 2 only), and 2: the issue still isn't the diabetes, it's the complete lack of caring for a medical issue.
Ok, real fast a couple of things. Hyperglycemia (that high blood sugar attack) can absolutely cause altered mental status, LOC and even death. It also doesnt take a lifetime to do that much damage. The person doesnt take their medication, eats fast food for all their meals and going to the bathroom is their daily exercise, it can happen as soon as the crow dude states. A vegan diet can be healthy for even a diabetic. Do a low carb high protein vegan diet. Also the carbs in a good vegan diet useally consist of complex carbs and fiber, so a low glycemic index. How do I know this? Heath care provider that is diabetic, vegan and now healthier than I have been since I was a teeny.
Lastly, dont dump on someone for calling it a diabetic attack. Unless they said they're in healthcare, its fine. Sorry to the Canadian crow guy, its painful to watch family slowly kill themselves.
I never said a vegan diet wasn't also an option, but out of the hundred diabetics I talk with on a yearly basis many are on a high protein (meat) diet, a handful are vegan. It is absolutely an option but this is still completely irrelevant to the actual post.
I am very familiar with what high blood sugar can cause and never said it couldn't cause any of the issues you listed, including unconsciousness. I experienced it myself just before getting diagnosed, not a lot of fun. But again claiming meat = diabetes = any of the things you said is wildly misleading and gives people the wrong idea about diabetes. All the issues we're talking about aren't because diabetes = problems, they're because unhealthy lifestyle = problems.
No its because it tastes good.
Sauces, marinades, vegtable broth and spices taste good.
And I didn't plan on stopping eating those either
Look up the history and origin of making gravy and sauces ... modern gravies and sauces were started and developed in the Middle Ages for beef and meat dishes to mask the taste of rotten or semi rotten food.
Yes I know there are other sauces and gravies for vegetables ... but the little dish of gravy for your roast beef supper was started because someone just wanted their food to taste less like a rotting carcass because they had no refrigeration back then.
Yeah Shure but why limit yourself from stuff that tastes good?
Just limit consumption to reasonable levels, its also a healt thing, but i don't see the need to never eat fish and meat anymore, once a week is ok.
When I, a man, am eating by myself I include meat sparingly, but when I eat food prepared by the women in my life, meat is front and centre and hard to avoid. I guess that is the threat to masculinity? The "why won't he eat this perfectly good meal I made for him?"
Hm... I mean you can talk to your GF about that, she will probably understand
These studies are made through a lens of "men have frail egos, how else can we frame this viewpoint".
I don't give a fuck about "masculinity" or "femininity". If it's cheap, tastes good, and isn't full of EEEEEEs, I'll buy it. Standard "aubergine", tomatoes, spring onions and whatever aren't tasty without a whole lot of prep. Fuck salads. Give me that cheap, spicy, Indian sauce that I can lather onto sweet potato purree, carrot pasta, and pickled mango... and it costs less than a dish with a fucking steak? Hell yeah I'm buying it! Steak will be what I eat when I go out.
Make another study focusing on pricing and how much money you can save per year eating veggie and I bet my ass it'll have an impact. These stupid "my gender is better than your gender" bullshit doesn't help.
They aren't peer reviewed and basically dont count as studies in a science way.
Also because it's still the only way to get enough protein unless you want to drink a bunch of shakes every day. Anyone who has counted calories before can tell you that most men are deficient unless they're heavy meat eaters.
As a vegetarian for 30 uears and now Vegan for probably 2-3 years, i can attest that your protien statement is false. i have never done protien shakes as a diet supplement. The lentils I buy are 30% protien. Other Beans are good also.
Yeah but then you have to eat beans, and I can't stand beans.
Lol. plain beans can be boring. But cooked into varoius Indian, ethiopian or african dishes with spices they are delicious
I'd eat dog food if it hit my macros and tasted ok. My food choices don't dictate how masculine I feel.
I've discovered TVP recently. Very cheap and dense source of protein. My partner likes to joke that I'm eating dog food, and I'm starting to think that she might be right considering that dog food keeps coming up when I search for TVP.
Interesting, I just searched it and yea the stuff I found does kind of look like dog food lol. I will see if I can find some and try it out. Thanks for the suggestion.
I can see that, especially in the USA. Can't have those giant burgers, steaks and ribs made from tofu or soy can you?
All those cowboys would be out of a job, and I bet the NRA are having none of it!
That's not rooted in masculinity, though, but rather "American exceptionalism".
Or it is that seasoned chared flesh is really tasty. One of those two.
The way I do it (cast iron pan on the BBQ, screamin' hot at 700+C) is super delicious. So much so that I think I might fire up a steak this weekend. Gotta check the weather forecast to see if it's worthwhile.
I find it interesting how most of those "studies" take a very shallow approach with main premise: how to perrle vegetarian/vegan lifestyle. I have no problem with folks eating whatever the heck they like, but stop peddling me your preferences based on pseudo-science. I've been eating "clean" for over a decade now amd I can say with certainty that vegetarian/vegan diet will near damn kill me at best it'll cripple me: sensitive to gluten, sugar and nuts, baloon from carbs. Not dealing great with soy etc. Any in-store "vegan" choices nutrutionally inferior to non-vegan as it stands (I do not say they are inheritently so but that the current fact). Industry is busy using adversarial politics pushing more addictive and harmful stuff onto our collective plates and we say nothing.
There's not such thing as "universal dietary profile". I.e. we need our choices across entire spectrum. Some of us can't tolerate certain foods, and that's not the reason to vilify or victimize.
Pretty bad editorialising of the headline there, OP. That's really not what the study showed. It was more nuanced than that.
Which headline/article are you getting? I edited it 30 seconds after posting. Maybe there are federation problems with the update.
edit: from lemmy.ca it looks like the preview of the article is not updated, the link is. from lemmy.ml, everything is fine.
Ah, I’m seeing “ Study suggest men refuse to ditch meat because it threatens their masculinity”
My apologies, when I read the article originally, it had a very different headline.
Edit Original headline I saw was: "New study finds that masculine language, reshapes men’s perspectives on vegan dishes "
It seems to be an EU-based study. The design part of the paper doesn't say which nationalities were studied, although maybe they mention it elsewhere in the document. I'd be interested in this because it's very much a cultural thing. There are part of the world where vegetarian food is the norm for both men and women.
It's from australia
The article at least says "The researchers conducted an online experiment with 593 participants in Germany" so it's probably primarily Germans?
Where else is vegetarian food the 'norm'?
Africa .... check the rates of heart disease and intestinal problems in most African nations compared to the US and Canada. They may suffer from all kinds of other preventable diseases, malnutrition and violent conflict ... but they don't suffer from over indulgence.
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